5 handed

Villain $900 is an asian gambler - who is stuck. Not sure how much but when I moved to the table he said he was stuck a lot. His standard open is $30 - $35 in a 2/5 game

Hero covers - 3bet this villain once to $100 OOP with QQ and check called $75 on AJ4r flop - check / check 3x turn - check / fold $175 Tx river.

This time i'm still OOP position and get AsAd

He goes on BTN $30 and i go $100 in BB he calls

$202

T53

I go $125
He calls

$452 K

I go $200
He calls

$857 3

Check or bet here? He has about $475 left

Bombs away

Easy shove, best river in the deck for us

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what a dream river! ship it!!

probably raise more pre oop - 130, villain seems not to fold much in position, so probably even 150$ makes sense.

easiest all in ever. wtf at check?

You have to bet here. This isn't a card i expect many player types to run a bluff on.

Great run out. Stuff river.

no brainer stuff.
Go a bit bigger OTT also, other than that nh as long as you jammed river.

OP, take a guess at what you believe villains range to be otr

I feel like it's always flush draws. Because I bet and he snap folded. Maybe a straight draw too. Not too many Tx or Kx in his range Maybe JJ.

Right. So list them out. Im serious. All hand combos that get to river.

And delete results if you can plz

+1 Dizzy for turn sizing. Other than that, great board. Rip it.

What is his calling range vs. his betting range vs. his check it back range? Decide which group has the most hands in it and act accordingly. I suspect it boils down to what you think he does with single pair hands.

I think my turn sizing is kinda fine. Anything bigger, and he folds most stuff I want calling. I could of maybe gone for $250 - but is he really gonna call a flush draw or Tx for more than $200 - $250?

I want him to incorrectly call getting 18% - I suppose $225 would of been fine too.

This is a fairly common and formulaic HH. If you think he is more likely to have a flush draw *AND* will bluff when x to, then x; if you think he is more likely to have a made hand and will often x back rivers, jam.

Readless or on the fence you should default to jamming for value. He has plenty of KX combos he can call it off with.

I'd disagree

i check call here, 2 streets of value

Most LLSNL players under-bluff and are massive calling stations. So without history or actual reads, my default play is to shove the river. You would be surprised what a 'stuck Asian gambler' will call you with. Trust me.

Our read is "Asian gambler." A two word read is never going to sway me from "value jam" to "x and hope (stereotypical Asian) villain bluffs."

Bet 474

It's a good exercise, and especially interesting on this texture/heros hand, but it's still going to be hard to find max EV without a real handle on Vs frequencies.

Using a little bit of logic, I think betting river becomes more of the preferred line only because hero bet a Kx turn at which point V elected to flat. While that might suggest more FDs in range that call turn (not loving that AK got there) it also suggests that he might be less inclined to bluff river by way of facing our turn bet/having not raised turn himself/having less perceived FE. I think it gives him far more give ups than anything else.

At the heart of it all, this probably ties closest to gameflow which goes a long way in licensing max exploitative plays such as checking river or checking turn.

Amanaplan, correct. Which is why i asked for a range. I would have shown a sample of a decision tree process applying frequencies. But im not going to spoonfeed. OP will at least need to type out a range.

Everyone else, this is a feally easy check for me otr. There are a number of reasons why, but the top reasons are:

1) a "buy-in" bet at 2/5 is a really, really large bet and people make very big folds to these bets. I know bc i bluff with this sizing ($300-$400) often. This is not 1/2 and this is not a $180 shove. People are very relative when it comes to amount of $ in this regard. However, once facing a check they somehow have an easier time shoveling it in. I dont know why. They just do.

2) its really hard for us to have any bluffs at all when we 3 barrel in live poker. This is because of the low fold equity, high multiway, shortstacked action we face. Its just impossible to 3 barrel bluff most of the time if you are game selecting well. So we will have more check/folds otr. Because of that, i like to have some sort of semblance of balance to my check/give ups. Strong one pair hands are perfect candidates in this regard. Im not talking about hardcore balance im talking about even the cocktail waitress knowing you are never bluffing here which means you should try another line that can max value.

3) people do not think AT ALL about what cards are good and bad to bluff. I actually hate typing this out bc its one of the few things that hasnt changed since 2010. They also dont value bet thin which makes river check calls really easy.

I just recently played a hand vs. a straight forward tag where i bet bet checked on 356A3 with 99 and he shoveled it in with missed hearts as planned.

Its just a really standard line for me and they still stuff everytime.

Av, got a quick line check for you as I was thinking similarly in a hand I played last night (Apologies for hi-jacking your thread DJ, but it's also an AA hand at the same stakes similarly deep)

Anyways, this V seems like a rec that's improving his game. Plays fairly ABC so far, but his ranges seemed a bit loose (opening JTo UTG+2 at a call-happy table) He recently saw me 3b/fold in position.

Stacks ~$900

V opens $25 in HJ, Hero AA $80 OTB. V calls

Flop $164

J74 rainbow.

x, Hero $90, c

Turn $344

blank... like 3x

V checks, Hero checks planning to fire ~$175 on most river if checked to. Didn't think I could get 3 streets of value vs this guy. Good to check this turn?

Interesting spot. I would like to hear comments from Ava also.

My question to you is do you raise or call if V bets 175ish into you on river?

If a J came out I'd weigh folding as well, but in general I think flatting would be the only option. If we raise, we'll fold out anything we beat. QQ might think about it, but that'd be a very narrow band of V's river donk range.