Here's the back story.

Game is 2nd to last day of cruise. Games are soft. Soft defined as: 1) AINEC pair+good kicker. What else to say, folks are getting off the ship in 48hrs, and are gambling it up.

UTG: OMC. Hero has not played with this particular villain yet, but it is obvious.


UTG+2: Hot! 40-something female dealer on her off time. Only reads of not is she stacked hero with 65 on a Q85 board by shoving the flop for 80bb into 10bb (hero had AJs and sigh-called). Did I mention she was hot? OMFG... please kill me now. Refer to her as HFD. (BTW... If I ever run good she reads LLSNL on 2P2 and will read this post. )

CO: Hero $240. Been playing super LAG since day 1. Bets big when bluffing. Bets bigger when he has it. Is currently down about $800. but is not yet tilted (don't worry... I was tilted later... ). Hero is short stack at 80bb effective.

80bb effective... $240

UTG-OMC opens for $6.

Folds to HFD raises to $17.

Folds to Hero in CO with KK who thinks for 20s and flats.

Folds back to OMC who raises to $35.

HFD calls, $35.

Pot is $70-ish to Hero shoves for $240.

OMC calls.

HFD folds.

Thoughts?

Concept #1... Hero flats HFD's raise because he thinks its going to go 3 ways exactly and wants to stack both OMC and HFD.

Concept #2... Hero shoves because OMC can have QQ, but never has AK.

To be perfectly honest, when OMC made it $35, it was pretty obvious his range was [AA, ??]. I must admit if I was back home, I would have folded my KK here. Yes, that's right. I would have folded KK. But since I was on "vacation" I was ready to gamboool it up with the rest of the idiots.

Really, the only question I have is, should Hero have flatted when HFD 3B?

Anyone want to see results?

Sorry, title says "100bb", but after I started writing, I rememberd I was only about 80bb.

my bad.

not a big difference, imho.

yeah, gambooool it up with KK for 80bb, when you stack off with AJ high on a Q85 board. sick gambooool. i mean folding on this table, wtf...
cold 4bet pre.

Doh call now

I think I'd 4 bet. The 3 bet is too small for us to want to flat and disguise our hand, IMO, we need to try to get more value pre.

You really can't expect OMC to 4 bet with a very wide range.

Wtf at your method at this table. Calling an 8xPSB flop bet with A high? And bluffing? We should NEVER bluff at this table. I mean, absolutely 100% no bluffs.

Unless I know OMC is going to come over the top of his lol $6 open, then I would just play it fast with my ******o laggy image and 4bet preflop. I'm never considering folding with our image and only 80bb stacks. As played, shove is obvious at this point, imo.

Gthisgame,youaregoingaboutitallwrongG

4 bet to around $50 is definitely the play here. If you get reraised by OMC, muck, UTG raise + 5 bet = AA.

+1 this especially with the LAG image you have

Having a LAG image widens OMCs 5bet range, not narrows it. Admittedly, I'm not exactly stoked when he 5bets, but this dude just saw us call an 8xPSB overbet on the flop with the monster known as A high / runner runner gutshot; TT is probably looking like a monster to him right now.

Wait...you called an 8x pot shove with ace high? What?

Dude. Dude. She was hot!

results

this spot is whatever. The ev between flatting and shoving is probably pretty close. Results oriented wise, we see she's capable of flating the 5 bet then folding so obv flating was the better option to keep her in. Without this info you could argue for either as one option isn't clearly superior to the other.

Real question is why were playing with 10 bbs in the other hand?...and if you were, why didnt you shove pre with AJ?

is this trolling or serious

Yes. Not my finest hour.

However, what I didn't fully describe was how basically the table was playing maniac-mode quite frequently. I started out playing my version of LAG and was getting run'dover .

I watched this Villain in particular open shove flops for 60-90bb into 10-30bb pots with A-rag (no pair), and OESDs. I presume she was shoving with flush draws too, but I don't actually remember seeing it.

That she had bottom pair no kicker, which I deem to be the top of her shoving range in this situation, is not surprising.

She never has [AK, AQ, QQ, 88, 55, Qx, 8x] here. Reverse-bet-size-tell-city.

Board: Qd 8c 5s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 46.249% 45.00% 01.25% 1024589 28503.00 { AJs-A2s, T9s, 97s, 74s+, 64s+, 54s, T9o, 97o, 74o+, 64o+, 54o }
Hand 1: 53.751% 52.50% 01.25% 1195405 28503.00 { AJs, AJo }

I'm not saying my call was "good", it was not. But I'm saying her range here is wide enough that I'm never drawing dead.

not trolling... ldo.

Maybe I misunderstand you, but the thought of folding never entered my mind here.

Back home... different.

results already?

This is the crux of my reason for posting this hand.

It was pretty obviously that only OMC, HFD and I were going to be in this hand. I glanced to my left and everyone else left to act were giving signs that they were getting out.

So I didn't want to blow OMC off his hand. I figured he's calling the 3B with almost his entire range here, but will fold to my 4B with everything except [KK+] (I am not sure what he'd do with AK and AQs, but I would not be surprised to see him lay it down)

HFD on the other hand... I was sure that she was calling most 4B. When she called OMC's 4B, I didn't think it was possible for her to fold to my shove. But, since she folded to my 5B-shove, is it pretty clear that min-raise-5B would have been better (I don't know how OMC would have reacted to a min-raise-5B...)?

Do we all agree that getting it in 3-ways would be better then heads up?

OMC's open to $6 was odd, but not completely out of the norm for this table. There was quite a lot of min-raising going on. This is not one of those situations where OMC makes a tiny UTG open raise, and you know he's got a monster.

No. I disagree.

OMC's 5B range is identically AA, regardless of Hero's image.

OMC's calling range to a 3B/4B is the only interesting detail here. I'm fairly sure his call-4B range is all of his 3B range, which is [JJ+] but only if the 4B is small enough. I don't know what he would do with AK.

FWIW, OMC did not see that actual hand. Though he has been at the table to see other maniac moves by the table. ETA: the AJ vs. 65 hand...

On that hand, HFD had 80bb (on the flop)... Hero covered.

Results:

Flop is KT8r, Hero turns over his KK face up and feels like God for 5 seconds.

Turn is A. The dealer was giving Hero the needle a bit all afternoon (all in good fun), so he pauses for about 6-7s before turning over the river. Hero says, "Nice hand sir, Top Set is good."

River is X.

OMC takes about 20 seconds to turn over his cards, honest. It was such a long slow roll that the rest of the table start chiding OMC for the unnecessary display of poor sportsmanship. Hero doesn't say anything about the slow roll, but is stunned. Hero leaves the table and takes a 3 hour break to get the taste of vomit out of his mouth.

HFD did not say what she had.

I don't know what to think about the bolded. I don't see that many hands that go: 2B, cold 3B, flat, 4B, flat, 5B-shove, Call, Fold.

Is it possible that if there is any chance that V2 will fold to the 5B-shove, then it is more +EV to just flat the 4B and try to get stacks in on the flop?

Offtopic but do you remember the rake at the ship?
Thank you

All games were raked at $1 on the button plus 10% up to $4.

This is for the CardPlayer Cruises hosted games.

The ship also had two electronic tables that were raked 10% to $15.

I have a small TR thread here.