I like this post and it works. But absoulte crushers can win even if they don't hit hands if they are dialed in.

If you got 8h9h late position and are relatively deep would you rather 3bet it or call and see a flop? See the difference in how a crusher would play and how a tight player plays makes the world of difference. A lot of people may open fold this hand. I'd like to crush so what would you do in this spot if it was ethir limped to you or open raised? Obv if a tight player opened we fold but let's assume an aggressive player opens.

Short answer and over a decent stretch of hands, absolutely no. If your bluffs are +EV long-term, your opponents are 5/1 nits. Which will never happen. I don't think people realize bluffs are at best (usually) neutral EV, and that we only bluff so our opponents don't fold 100% of their bluff-catchers.

Maybe this has more to do with the area of the country you live in, but I assure you, there are plenty. Some have even written books....

If you are folding 89 in late position to a tight player's open, you aren't going to be crushing anything.

I agree a lot and have stopped bluffing randoms. I usually bluff people I play with a lot just so I get paid in the future if they do call. I think it had dramatically improved my win rate. I will however value bet ace high or king high when I feel I have the best hand on the flop

Bluffing works because we hit hands. If you never hit hands, your bluffs would be hugely -ev.

It's all just one long session. Winning 25 times in a row ... what is that? Playing 15 hours and leaving with a dollar of profit?

A good win rate for $1/2 is 20 bucks an hour and you're crushing it at 40/hr.

To do that, you have to be able to play postflop. And often, that means getting the best hand to fold.

I think it's often not who had the best cards, but did you have enough weak players? Those you could swat down?

Play the players. Cards help.

Most crushers are not, they are just running good for a while. They build up a big stack quickly by getting called folds when they are bluffing and called when they have it. If things go the other way they go through buy in after buy in. They look like they are crushing the game because they have 3+ buy ins in front of them when they are running hot, on days when they don't and lose 3+ buy ins you can't see their losses. They may just leave or have a single buy in in front of them. Often they will have 2-3 buy ins and look like they are doing good but are actually in the game for 3+ and losing overall.

Really needs more information. How many people are in the hand, exactly how deep are we, what are positions, what is the risk of action after? Does the original raiser have a fold button preflop? How does he play post flop?

If villain is tight and good and nobody else is in the hand I might raise, call or fold. If villain is tight and stationary then I'm usually calling and hoping to hit because hero has less FE. If villain is tight but weak then raising looks good.

If villain is loose then I have more raises and folds in my play. It's harder to read his hand post flop and villain has more hands that will give up to a raise.

A crusher is almost always raising here but see previous comment about crushers mostly being too aggressive and just running good.

This thread tilts me.

This

Completely ridiculous thread from start to finish.

Why? Because you think you can outplay any table? No matter what cards you get? Thats insane and delusional. I happen to play at tables where everything gets called lol. You don't bluff at these tables. There is no point. As I've said earlier, it depends on the table. Why does everyone just assume the play is the same everywhere. Not to single you out, just assuming here. One thing I can say...there are several delusional people in this thread.

The key is to play tight while waiting for premiums or decent hands that you can play in position while being prepared to bluff at uncontested pots to keep your stack from dwindling. $5 and $10 here an there really add up when your playing junk with no plan. Then when you finally hit a good hand and get value you wonder why your stack is still the original $300 you started with.

Probably tilting because you are wasting time and time is money arguing over stupid things that don't improve your game. Probably what tilts.

Thread could of been over after yes and no.

LOL I'm guessing if this thread actually tilts someone, they aren't good enough for time to be money. Jesus lol

Im gonna say in short, No....Not in to today's games.

Nonsense. Tilt has varying levels. From minimal annoyance that does not affect you to extreme annoyance and affect decisions.

Done commenting ITT. Want to improve? Spend less time in this thread.

Yeah. No thanks. I'm positive I don't need advice from a guy who tilts over an Internet thread.

No, I dont think I can out play any table. Nobody can out play any table. I dont have to out play the entire table all the time. I just have to pick out 1 or 2 spots in a 5 hour session to pick up a decent pot when its clear nobody has anything or look for a spot when a weak tight player makes a bet that tells me hes weak.

If you cant make any strong hands, you can still win if you can tell when the other guy doesnt have a strong hand. If youre nut peddling and playing on your phone waiting for premium starting hands and monster flops, then I dont know what to tell you.

There is no mystical place where every bet and raise gets called.

Coming back for you only.

Learn to read, when did I say I was tilted? Second come join in some strat threads other than your standard BBV and blow my mind. Otherwise you are just a troll in my eyes. Won't be coming back to reply if you post in here. You already got a pass once.

Oh you're tilting lol. Good luck.

I agree. And I'm saying at SOME tables those stabs and steals are burning money. So again, it depends on the table and worth the discussion. Not tilt.

OK, but if youre open to discussion, then Im saying that there are always a few spots where you can steal a pot if you pick the right time. If you are playing tight and not being very active, which should be the case if you are card dead and not hitting hands, making a raise at the right time when you sense weakness will work. If it doesnt, then you are picking the wrong spots or the wrong people. If they wont fold KT to a raise on a Kxxx board then you should be able to crush them later by raising KQ on that same board which would normally be considered a pretty thin value raise. In other words , on tables like that you can win big pots without making "big" hands.

If you play 5 hours and never even make a pair, then clearly its going to be pretty hard to win that day.

Actually I'm more likely to call vs a tight player relatively deep than a loose one.

When really deep I suppose 3 betting is better, but you should really know your players first.

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You're not a very logical thinker/arguer, are you? You've repeatedly put words in the mouths of other posters ITT. That doesn't drive discussion nor does it support your argument.

Try this format: premise A is true. Given premise A is true, premise B. Therefore, conclusion C.

Don't just make up things and insist they were said by others.

As for the bolded, that is the only response that should exist in the thread. All other discussion is close to pointless. The thread question is poorly structured and does not make way for "good" responses. Clearly, "it depends" is sufficient for ending this time-waster.

I'm the only one who has said it depends on the table, yet I'm not logical? Yeah I probably don't need advice from you either.