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Old 05-24-2018, 12:34 PM   #26
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Re: Can I really fold a flush here?

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This is one misconception that i see a few players make on 2+2. This is a 1/3 Live game, the average player is not looking to use blockers to bluff or make optimal plays using bet sizing. A lot are just plain feel players who either want you to fold or call based on their "bets".
It was the minor of my majority points. I believe H's hand is face up at the end of the flop. What hands are making a pot sized raise that aren't flushes? Maybe KK or AcAx, both of which are being heavily discounted here since H didn't raise pre, and KK is blocked by V. I admit I am assuming here that while H might 3bet light, she doesn't spew it off post flop. BLuff or not, V is not putting us on the Ac or Qc because you are never folding there as H, and clearly his bet is trying to get you to fold.
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Old 05-24-2018, 02:01 PM   #27
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Re: Can I really fold a flush here?

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Actually the pot is $1066 when it gets to OP.
This is true, but $220 is in the side pot with SB who shoved pre so our equity of calling is not based on the total pot, it is based on ($1066-$220)/$263 or 3.2-1 (we need to be good 31% of the time to call here).

This is a really gross spot. Our 2 outs give us an additional 4.5% chance of winning if behind (and that is to scoop too), so I think this might be one of the rare times those two outs push this to a call for me. But I hate it.
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Old 05-24-2018, 02:03 PM   #28
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Re: Can I really fold a flush here?

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Thanks for input guys, I made the decision to call a lot due in part to the fact that he was playing back at me a lot post flop and i knew there was at least a decent chance he had some inferior hands in his range which might make the odds of calling closer. It is 1/3 after all and the hands I see people show up with sometimes never cease to amaze me.

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Nice call OP. Yet another hand that reminds me to add a small amount of total spew equity to any calc at these levels.
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Old 05-24-2018, 04:00 PM   #29
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Re: Can I really fold a flush here?

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This is true, but $220 is in the side pot with SB who shoved pre so our equity of calling is not based on the total pot, it is based on ($1066-$220)/$263 or 3.2-1 (we need to be good 31% of the time to call here).

This is a really gross spot. Our 2 outs give us an additional 4.5% chance of winning if behind (and that is to scoop too), so I think this might be one of the rare times those two outs push this to a call for me. But I hate it.
I dont think you'll ever get me to agree to that.
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Old 05-24-2018, 04:56 PM   #30
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Re: Can I really fold a flush here?

Yeah, I'm with Mike here. You can't just disregard the main pot because the SB shoved pre. You can't assume it's 100% dead money. With the way the hand's playing out at this point it's likely that at least 70-80% of it can be calculated in the pot odds.
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Old 05-24-2018, 05:28 PM   #31
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Re: Can I really fold a flush here?

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Are you editing my posts to make me look bad (worse)? GL
Yeah MikeStarr what's up with that? Manipulating the quote seems bad.
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Old 05-24-2018, 05:36 PM   #32
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Yeah MikeStarr what's up with that? Manipulating the quote seems bad.
I didn't edit anything. He must've edited his post AFTER I quoted him. He edited his post 4 mins after I quoted him. He even put a smiley face so I think he was making a joke. At least I hope so.
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Old 05-24-2018, 05:38 PM   #33
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Re: Can I really fold a flush here?

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I didn't edit anything. He must've edited his post AFTER I quoted him.
Thats the joke
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Old 05-24-2018, 06:05 PM   #34
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Re: Can I really fold a flush here?

I cringe fold in a vacuum
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Old 05-25-2018, 10:38 AM   #35
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Re: Can I really fold a flush here?

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I dont think you'll ever get me to agree to that.
Well we have to beat both players for the main not just one so i don't think you can just put 100% of it in your denomination either. He could asly have the naked AQorJ.

Just saying we need to remember we aren't calling this bet to win the total pot HU.
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