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Old 06-06-2013, 08:19 AM   #1
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Can I ever fold here?

No previous reads on villain. $220 effective stacks. Hero has a tightish image.

Preflop
Villain, UTG+1 Limps,
3 other limpers.
Hero completes in SB with J8dd.

Flop($10)
AJ8cc
Hero bets 12
Villain raises 25
Hero calls

Turn($60)
AJ8J
Hero checks
Villain bets $50
Hero c/rs to $100
Villain ships over for $92 more
Hero?
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Old 06-06-2013, 08:27 AM   #2
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Re: Can I ever fold here?

no you can't ever fold
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Old 06-06-2013, 09:09 AM   #3
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Nope. You are pot committed for sure. Though his raise otf in that spot is pretty strong, if he has aces or AJ just pay him off and gg. Otherwise, at this level I think enough people show up with worse here often enough that it's profitable.

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Old 06-06-2013, 09:23 AM   #4
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Re: Can I ever fold here?

Interesting spot. You can't fold once you c/r turn. I guess if we were way deeper we could find a fold but not 100BB deep.

For the record his most likely holding is AJ obv given preflop.

I would prob lead turn FWIW.
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Old 06-06-2013, 09:43 AM   #5
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Dear Jesus no you can't fold. If your up against Aj, say good hand and buy back in

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Old 06-06-2013, 09:48 AM   #6
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Re: Can I ever fold here?

can you ever fold? yeah.
should you ever fold? nope.
agree with bwslim, if we are deeper there are some scenarios, but not for 100bb ever.
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Old 06-06-2013, 10:07 AM   #7
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Re: Can I ever fold here?

Search for IBelieveInChipKelly's "I am results oriented" thread.

Because that's what this is, results oriented. No, you can never, ever fold.

And if you were deeper it would still be a very easy decision imo.
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Old 06-06-2013, 10:12 AM   #8
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Re: Can I ever fold here?

There are 3 hands that beat you and pretty much any jack is doing the same thing, not to mention the rare 88.

You can never fold.
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Old 06-06-2013, 01:24 PM   #9
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Re: Can I ever fold here?

I ended up shipping the pot, but I tanked for a solid 1-2 minutes before calling. He didn't end up showing his hand.
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Old 06-06-2013, 02:41 PM   #10
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Re: Can I ever fold here?

If villain shipped for 300 more I'd still have an instacall boner.
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Old 06-06-2013, 02:48 PM   #11
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Re: Can I ever fold here?

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If villain shipped for 300 more I'd still have an instacall boner.
Don't think so when he c/r flop then b/3b over a c/r. In that case getting 250 bb seems kinda bad though its highly villain dependent of course
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Old 06-06-2013, 02:59 PM   #12
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Re: Can I ever fold here?

U would never ask this question if u won the hand I assume but this is an obvious call. AA would prob have raised pre so AJ is the only concern. An aggressive player could raise this pot with QJ/KJ and 88 is more likely than AA given the EP limp.
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Old 06-06-2013, 03:13 PM   #13
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Don't think so when he c/r flop then b/3b over a c/r. In that case getting 250 bb seems kinda bad though its highly villain dependent of course
He didn't c/r flop. Most Ppl still open a hand like AJ even in EP. He could have 88, Jx, AcXc, etc. We Have most of his range crushed.
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Old 06-06-2013, 04:29 PM   #14
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Re: Can I ever fold here?

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No previous reads on villain. $220 effective stacks. Hero has a tightish image.

Preflop
Villain, UTG+1 Limps,
3 other limpers.
Hero completes in SB with J8dd.

Flop($10)
AJ8cc
Hero bets 12
Villain raises 25
Hero calls

Turn($60)
AJ8J
Hero checks
Villain bets $50
Hero c/rs to $100
Villain ships over for $92 more
Hero?
GRUNCH

if effective stacks were 900bb then sure, you could fold

but with eff stacks 100bb, there is no way on God's green earth you can fold here. You have the third nuts (very unlikely V has AA) and 99% of all LLSNL players would stack off with Jx or eights full...

Obviously, since you started this thread odds are you ran into AJ, but seriously, folding here is just not profitable.

The only way a fold is correct here is if you know for 100% fact V is never shoving with eights full or Jx. Then yeah, if that is the case, you can easily fold. But for 99.999% of the villains you will face, this isn't even remotely the case, hence why a call here for 100bb is mandatory and +EV...

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Don't think so when he c/r flop then b/3b over a c/r. In that case getting 250 bb seems kinda bad though its highly villain dependent of course
If villain will take the above line with 88 then we still call. And vast majority of villains at this level are playing eights full as if its the nuts so no way I'm folding. Granted, I don't think i'd have a boner, but I would still make the call.
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Old 06-06-2013, 04:52 PM   #15
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Just to help us out, what was the results.

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Old 06-06-2013, 05:16 PM   #16
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I ended up shipping the pot, but I tanked for a solid 1-2 minutes before calling. He didn't end up showing his hand.
Lol, after your 2 minute tank the guy totally thought his AQ was good
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Old 06-06-2013, 05:26 PM   #17
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No reason to c/r if you're not willing to call a shove. Opens betting again. If u are worried he has AJ then flat and see river. As played call shove.
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Old 06-06-2013, 11:05 PM   #18
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Re: Can I ever fold here?

I checkraised to take the beting lead and have him sigh call the river with like AQ, it was just the jam looked super strong to me.
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Old 06-07-2013, 12:00 AM   #19
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Re: Can I ever fold here?

You ship that all day and love it, his most obviose holdings are not aj, it's clubs he rr you on the flop when he made his flush, most players at this level aren rr with 2 pr when there is a flush everybody sees that flush a mile away
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Old 06-07-2013, 09:51 AM   #20
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Meh... I call knowing in beat a lot. Villain is not raising flop with Jx.

"No reads on vil" c'mon was he old , young, Asian Martian ?
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Old 06-08-2013, 02:27 PM   #21
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Middle aged white male, looked like a hooker kind of guy.
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Old 06-08-2013, 02:37 PM   #22
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Re: Can I ever fold here?

Guys guys this is a CLEAR FOLD!

That is if V has shown us AA or AJ before we acted lol.

No OP we should never find a fold with given stack sizes.
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