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Can I call here vs a very tight value range? Can I call here vs a very tight value range?

08-08-2020 , 01:57 AM
Live 2/3 NLH 9 handed. I'm in CO with JTss, UTG1 and UTG2 limp, I raise to $15, Buttons folds, SB 3-bets to $75, UTG1 and UTG2 fold. SB is essentially a poker pro, I call which was a mistake because I just don't have the right pot odds, but I'm a bit of a fish and hate folding JTs

Flop comes AT4. SB rips it for about $225. So my logic of thinking is that since he's a really good player, it's doubtful he's jamming with super premium hands like AA, AT. I have a J and T blocker so I don't put him on TT or JJ, and since there is an ace on board I doubt he does that with KK QQ (as a value bet) So in my mind He mostly has AQs and AKs here for value, but has lots of bluffing combos like 99 88, T9s, 89s etc. I tank for ages and end up calling, he did have the AQ and I don't make a flush. Essentially in my head I called because he only has 2 value combos vs lots of bluff combos and I crush a lot of his bluffs.

I don't think he had any tells or exploitative play on me either. Lmk if I'm the biggest fish or if it was a good call
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08-08-2020 , 02:06 AM
You only need like 35% equity, so call looks good.

You should have about 50% equity with villain just shoving like top 5% of hands, including sets. Once you discount those, your hand gets even better.
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08-08-2020 , 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
You only need like 35% equity, so call looks good.

You should have about 50% equity with villain just shoving like top 5% of hands, including sets. Once you discount those, your hand gets even better.
Thanks! And do you think my logic of thinking through the hand is good or do I need to consider some frequencies of his jamming range etc.
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08-08-2020 , 05:21 AM
Assuming effective stacks are $300, easy call OTF, bordering on trivial.

Preflop is horrible but the fact that an aware player can't let go here is why live poker will never die, so there's that.
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08-08-2020 , 06:52 AM
We'll ignore the oxymoron of a pro 2/3 player for the moment.

Start with what is his 3 bet range. That range needs to align with how often is he 3 betting. If he is 3 betting light, he should be 3 betting about once an orbit. Which means he should be sticking out like a sore thumb. No word in your OP that he is very aggressive and 3 betting a lot.

Since he is a "pro,", he should be thinking about your 3 bet calling range. That would be a bunch of big pairs and AK/AQ. At an SPR of less than 2, he got to figure you're going to be calling with your Ax hands. He's hoping you'll fold your other big pairs.

This is a fold because a lot of his bluffs beat you. Even if he has something like KQ, he has 9 outs twice to beat you.

Now if he is a typical blow hard "I'm a pro, I'm going to prove how superior I am to you by my sick bluffs," then a call could be in order.
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08-08-2020 , 08:59 AM
Just adding a couple of comments:

1) Pre sizing is small with two limpers. Standard $20+.

2) SB 3b range should be tighter with the BTN fold and BB yet to act. If BTN called, SB is incented to 3b wider b/c there is more dead $ to be had.
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08-08-2020 , 09:49 AM
With V having no Ace/flush combo’s I’m shrug calling. When you call the 3b pre dreams of a flop like this should give you a boner.
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08-08-2020 , 10:24 AM
Even if V has zero bluffs, we have ~45% equity here. Easy call.

Pre is bad. Very, very, bad.
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08-08-2020 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Jay S
Even if V has zero bluffs, we have ~45% equity here. Easy call.

Pre is bad. Very, very, bad.
Exactly, H needs around 35% equity to call. Against the top of V’s range, (AA,TT, AQs+, ATs, AQo, ATo) H has about 45%. The 3bet call however, Mmmm….
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08-08-2020 , 03:45 PM
Not deep enough to call pre. Flop is an easy call.
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08-09-2020 , 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by aduck16
So my logic of thinking is that since he's a really good player, it's doubtful he's jamming with super premium hands like AA
He jammed because he expects to get called. You either have a piece or you've got squat. You're just compounding a mistake like this. You can always get odds to call if you keep pot committing yourself.
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08-10-2020 , 03:27 AM
Some villains jam nutted hands here because they fear getting drawn out on.
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08-14-2020 , 01:15 PM
I would just overlimp preflop but that's my style.

Calling the reraise preflop for 25% of our stack to setup an SPR 1.5 pot (where position is completely negated) is really horrible, imo.

At this SPR on a pretty drawy board, a shove is pretty much the only bet, so there is no reason he can't have TP (or even bigger). Yeah, once and a while he'll be semibluffing with KQ / 99 / etc, but even some of those hands have equity, plus even our outs against TP can be counterfeited. So estimating 5 outs seems a fairish estimate, and using the rule of 2 and 4 means we'd like to get getting about 4:1 to make a ~breakevenish call and yet we're not even getting 2:1 thanks to the overbet. We'd have to be ahead quite a lot of the time to make this remotely close. Pretty easy fold for me.

ETA: Oh, we have the flush draw? Thought we only had the pair. Yeah, easy flop call if we have the flush draw.

Gyikes,imoG
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