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Can the concept of hand range be made easier to use Can the concept of hand range be made easier to use

03-14-2014 , 12:56 AM
First of all i would like to thank the two plus two Community, for give me feedback on my previous Questions. you guys have been great and have really help t me improve my game.

My next Questions is about hand range. To be honest its a concept i am still struggling with At my 1/3 live cash game. I Know the basics of it but am having trouble applying it. An opponents raising rang, calling rang, and an opponents limping rang, i feel that as much as i think about it im not improving.

I was wondering if any of you guys and girls can tell me your thoughts on this, Maybe share any hand range exercises, or even have an easier way of thinking about hand range.

i Know the getting good at this will make me in to a better poker player.

Thank you hope to hear from you soon
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03-14-2014 , 01:13 AM
Combinatorics. But it's generally slow too until you use it a lot and internalize the more common situations. And then add a little or subtract a little depending on Villian tendencies.
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03-14-2014 , 01:31 AM
There are some stickies on this, as well as a book (ed miller?) on hands reading that will be more in-depth than what can be said here.

Okay, onto the td;lr, aka me offering my side of experience.

I think the biggest part of this comes down to observation. You really have to train yourself to pay attention to every hand.
These are few of the things that i look for:

- Which villain opened in what position for how much.
- Who called or raised him for how much.
- Who continued onto which street with what board texture

Then, if you ever get to see a showdown, that is when you get the valuable opportunity to replay the hand and piece it together to come up with a profile for the owner of each showed down hand. The more showdowns you see, the more you'll be able to carve out a clearer picture of what each opponent is likely to be holding when they do a certain thing.

Let's use a very basic example.
X opens to 12 utg, Y calls otb.
Flop: Q24r
Turn: 3
River: 9
X and Y checks down all streets, X shows AK, Y shows JJ.
From this alone, we gather that X opens strong hands early, and Y might be a weak tight player who does not have JJ in his 3-bet range. We can also see that X did not c-bet, or bet his gutshot - so when he fires out of turn next time, he probably has better than ace high and/or a weak draw. Or, if Y bets next time on a Q high dry board, he probably has at least top pair plus, because we've seen him checking behind jacks.

Anyways, I can go on forever but the point is, ranging in my opinion is an exercise of gathering information from your opponents, and use that information to construct the total number of possible hands that he can have in a certain spot, in order to respond with the optimal play with your own hand. Of course, the range will probably start wider and narrow as you sit at the game longer and get more information.

To complicate things, you should remember that whether each opponent is also capable of adjusting to their perceived image of you. So what is true for how they play against one player, it might not be true for you. Even better, pay attention to an opponent's showdowns with others, and compare it to how they played against YOU. It's something that takes practice to piece together, but important when you are for example in a multiway pot.
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03-14-2014 , 01:37 AM
Start with one Villain and just focus on him. Ask yourself, "What hands does he raise with pre-flop and from what position?" "What hands does he limp with?"

Then, figure out what he does on the flop. Does he call with any piece of the flop (like middle pair)? What hands does he bet out? Top pair? Into how many players? Does he even notice how many players are in the hand with him or is he just focused on his hand?

What are his tendencies on the turn and river? Does he tend to check-raise big hands or just bet them out. Will he call 3/4 pot bet with a flush draw?

You're basically profiling your opponent. The more of his tendencies you know, the more accurately you can describe his hand ranges. Pay attention to every hand he shows and replay the hand in your head.....what did he do pre-flop, on the flop, etc? Become an expert in one villain to start. Pay attention to bet sizing in addition to his actions.

Then, when you play a hand with this guy, try to think about what possible hands he could have. Think about how he played prior hands. If you've paid attention to how he's responded to other players' c-bets, then you will know how he responds to yours. For example, you might have observed him call 1/2 pot flop bets with any pair or any draw (including gutshots) in the past. So, you know that he's probably doing that with you, too. Put his pre-flop range together with his flop range and you start to have a pretty good idea of the types of hands he's calling you with and you can more accurately determine the best way to play the rest of the hand.

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