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Calling Range in this lol live 1/2 hand? Calling Range in this lol live 1/2 hand?

01-09-2015 , 03:28 PM
I will leave out what I had and my final action for now.

3 handed game

button 267
sb not important
me ~1900

Button limps
Sb folds
I check

flop KQ10

pot=$5
I lead for $2
button raises to 10
I raise to 25
button jams for 265
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01-09-2015 , 04:22 PM
Need more information. Playing 3 handed we need to have some idea what villain will limp from button, how he has been playing and any history you two have. Plus, knowing what cards you have may change the situation radically because card elimination affects the possible range of hands. The limps preflop just make this too weird of a situation to analyze in abstract, villain's range is all over the place. It could be anywhere from big hands too marginal draws.

That said, the over shove rule applies here. When villain over bets the pot you have to be right about him bluffing more then 2/3 of the time to break even on calling unless you have a monster yourself. Add in some semi-bluffs with good/decent draws and it goes even higher. Without a big hand or big draw I'm folding to the shove unless there is some history.
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01-09-2015 , 04:26 PM
Calling with straights, sets, and royal draws only given that this is a limped pot. Maybe KQ, but all of your two pair hands/sets/straights/royal draws should have been raised preflop in a 3-handed game so I'm not sure exactly what you're supposed to have here. Your hand matters because whatever you hold is going to block some of the hands that V can have.
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01-09-2015 , 05:39 PM
Um, J9+, KQ, KJss, Axss, sets (not sure how possible but ok)

You have to have J9, right? Not really thrilled about calling with KQ - against many villains I probably fold in this exact spot.

Last edited by fitzthetaxman; 01-09-2015 at 05:41 PM. Reason: Not thrilled
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01-09-2015 , 05:53 PM
Yeah, depends an awful lot on the villain, and on whether or not we have the ace of spades.

I probably can't fold a set here unless I can narrow his range to flopped straights only. Same goes for j9.

I'm folding two pair hands unless I've tagged V as someone who raises too aggressively with nut draws or someone who massively overvalues top pair hands.

I'm folding KJ, probably calling with KJss. Folding AXss, might fold AKss unless there's a jackpot promotion to factor into the EV calculations.
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01-09-2015 , 06:35 PM
Villian was a 60 some year old white guy who had just got arrived at a 4 handed table and saw me bust 2 short stacks by 4 betting aipf with 77. This was only like his 4th hand at the table so I was not sure about his raising tendencies. Although no history he did not seem like the type of villian to raise pre flop a lot or to make a wild ship with a draw here.
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01-09-2015 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by rm81
Villian was a 60 some year old white guy who had just got arrived at a 4 handed table and saw me bust 2 short stacks by 4 betting aipf with 77. This was only like his 4th hand at the table so I was not sure about his raising tendencies. Although no history he did not seem like the type of villian to raise pre flop a lot or to make a wild ship with a draw here.
So what are your two cards so we can narrow V's range?
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01-09-2015 , 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by fitzthetaxman
Um, J9+, KQ, KJss, Axss, sets (not sure how possible but ok)

You have to have J9, right? Not really thrilled about calling with KQ - against many villains I probably fold in this exact spot.
I have J:9

This guy was right pretty much any suited ace big pair or KQ I am not checking the option although kind of fun to think if would of called with those type of hands there. Because it is 3 handed there are no promos for royal or bbj.
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01-09-2015 , 06:56 PM
I'm definitely not folding J9
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01-09-2015 , 07:02 PM
AJ, AJs.

Call me a nutpeddler.
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01-09-2015 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by trucdouf
AJ, AJs.

Call me a nutpeddler.
"Don't go broke in a limped pot without the nuts"

Yeah. I don't hate folding for $25 in with no way to improve. V is probably a lot more likely to limp the button with AJ than TT/QQ/KK, but it's pretty tough to fold a flopped straight when 3-handed.
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01-09-2015 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by wj94
I'm definitely not folding J9
I did not snap call was never expecting a shove with the size of the pot. He also called the clock on me after about 20-25 seconds which made me think more he wanted a call(J9+) though not always the case.
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01-09-2015 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by trucdouf
AJ, AJs.

Call me a nutpeddler.
you folding j9 spades?
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01-09-2015 , 07:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by rm81
I will leave out what I had and my final action for now.

3 handed game

button 267
sb not important
me ~1900

Button limps
Sb folds
I check

flop KQ10

pot=$5
I lead for $2
button raises to 10
I raise to 25
button jams for 265
Grunch:

The nuts and top set. It's just math yo.
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01-09-2015 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by spikeraw22
Grunch:

The nuts and top set. It's just math yo.
Without reads on the villain, I'd assume they aren't limping KK/QQ, so doesn't that make QQ/TT a call also?

Even though we should never have any KK/QQ/TT range here...
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01-09-2015 , 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by rm81
you folding j9 spades?
Js9s crushes us; we don't have close to the right equity to call.

So not folding Js9s but definitely folding Jd9h.

Board: Kh Qs Ts
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 68.182% 36.36% 31.82% 360 315.00 { Js9s }
Hand 1: 31.818% 00.00% 31.82% 0 315.00 { Jd9h }
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01-09-2015 , 07:52 PM
Read less with a massive overshove like that I'm not ruling any of them out.

On the other hand we should never have a set in this situation so it doesn't even really matter.
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01-09-2015 , 08:31 PM
The above might make a case for j9 too but we should still not have sets at all.
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01-09-2015 , 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by iraisetoomuch
Without reads on the villain, I'd assume they aren't limping KK/QQ, so doesn't that make QQ/TT a call also?

Even though we should never have any KK/QQ/TT range here...
QQ and 1010 dont play as well vs KQ or other sets
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01-09-2015 , 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by rm81
you folding j9 spades?
Gonna need to tank, soul read, and possibly a clock.

J9ss can probably be included though, but it's no more than a sigh call imo.
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01-09-2015 , 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by trucdouf
Gonna need to tank, soul read, and possibly a clock.

J9ss can probably be included though, but it's no more than a sigh call imo.
As I said above: Js9s is ahead against straights. It's a much much stronger hand than ours.

Board: Kh Qs Ts
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 51.401% 35.62% 15.78% 2980436 1320368.50 { Js9s }
Hand 1: 48.599% 32.82% 15.78% 2746037 1320428.00 { AJs, J9s, AJo, J9o }
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01-09-2015 , 11:50 PM
Is one spade in our hand a call? it is only a 4% freeroll but blocks us from getting freerolled especially if it is the Js

Ill give results tomorrow
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01-10-2015 , 12:08 AM
I 'm with the discounting of sets due to preflop action but he can have 2 pair combos / pair + draws here a lot too, ofc sets, AJ or J9.. but we should be thinking of those hands after we 3bet him on a limped pot!

I call, but if we have 200B I might fold.
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01-10-2015 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by rm81
Is one spade in our hand a call? it is only a 4% freeroll but blocks us from getting freerolled especially if it is the Js

Ill give results tomorrow
Isn't it true most 2-pairs are either raised pre-flop or are not 4-bet?

Are we calling hoping to chop and hoping he never limps AJo?

I think 99% of the times where someone 3-bet folds post-flop they're making a mistake. But if it's ever correct, this is a time when it is:

1. Very very deep: SPR around 50
2. Strong hand
3. Vulnerable hand
4. Unlikely to improve

Probably -EV to call, but probably not greatly -EV.
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01-10-2015 , 10:19 PM
Results were like I said the clock was called on me pretty early I actually thought the floor was giving me more time because I did not have much time before clock but then they were on a 10 second countdown and my hand ended up being dead I put him on J9 because I thought he would raise AJ but I also felt like I did not beat anything and that he had to have J9 and maybe a freeroll on me.

Although I did not call he showed J9. So this ended up costing me $27 I was mad initially that I did not get a lot of time but probably was the right fold against the range of hands the more i think about it.
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