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Fold pre.

Not checking turn is really, really bad. You're either WA/WB here, and when you're way ahead (opponent has 1010, JJ, or AK) you can get value on the river.

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05-07-2018 , 02:04 PM

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shorn7

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Check the turn as Mike said.

And don't make Hero Calls no matter the price. It is OMC for God's sake, I would actually be stunned if he has anything other than 44/QQ/AA in that order.

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05-07-2018 , 02:13 PM

#28

thin_slicing

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Preflop 3!. Especially on the button I want to make sure I'm 3! with my value hands.

As played I'm checking this turn most of the time. Only one over card you have to worry about. Think about what hands V can have here.

99-AA
AK AQ Axs (Axs might be a stretch)

If he has AK or an under pair to the Q you give him a chance to fire the river or call a river bet if V checks again.

What worse hands is he calling with on the turn?

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05-07-2018 , 04:47 PM

#29

ZuneIt

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G, It is V2 who 3-bet pre & he is the guy who shoved for 100 Bigs in an earlier hand with a busted draw. Now he's 3! pre in a squeeze spot. Not all 65 yr olds are OMCs.

V2 "seems taggish" doesn't mean he can't be lead to getting him to overplay his hand with you IP.

V1 is the LAG. He's runnin' good, he knows it & should be aware V2 can bluff & that this is a great squeeze spot. AND with V1 calling V2's $35 3!, there is $83 - $7 - $1 tip= $75 in pot b4 you call & it's $23 more = 3.26:1 on our money, IP.

Is this a no-brainer fold? I've seen guys make it $35 in the BB in these situations with 99.

I'm not saying "ZuneIt knows best." I'm asking "when do we call?" With AKs only? AQs?

Last edited by ZuneIt; 05-07-2018 at 04:53 PM.

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05-07-2018 , 04:57 PM

#30

whorasaurus

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Never folding river in this spot getting 3:1 against described V. He can be vbetting worse here on top of his bluffs.

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05-07-2018 , 05:17 PM

#31

SwolyswoND

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Yeah why on earth did we bet the turn, especially with the range you assigned him? you feel the need to protect against a 2- or 3-outer that badly?

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05-07-2018 , 05:20 PM

#32

gobbledygeek

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Originally Posted by ZuneIt

I'm asking "when do we call?" With AKs only? AQs?

I think there's such a huge difference between AK and AQ; with AQ, it just sucks so much when he shows up with AK (which might be the bottom of a lot of T-in-TAG-is-for-tight ranges here).

And if I do have AK, I'm probably not calling here (shoving or folding with this dead money / relatively small stacks).

GcluelessNLnoobG

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05-07-2018 , 05:32 PM

#33

Nozsr

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Regarding Post 21 -

Intended the ++ to indicate I agreed completely with you, Mike Starr.

It was my own afterthought to observe the hand wasn't a $300 hand.

Sorry it was not clear. I rarely disagree with you!

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05-07-2018 , 05:35 PM

#34

Playbig2000

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Originally Posted by chopstick

OMC 3! pre and Hero decides that the pot control OOP check on the turn means he can't have KK/AA.

Guess we gotta put him on AK and call, then.

Who is the OMC? Just because someone is old doesnt mean theyre a nit. This guy plays in home games and jammed a missed draw - he's not an OMC

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05-07-2018 , 05:41 PM

#35

spirit123

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O wow, didn't see that you bet the turn. check that back like all the time. betting does nothing for you except bloat the pot when you really just want to get to showdown without having to make a decision for all your chips.

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05-07-2018 , 05:42 PM

#36

MikeStarr

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Originally Posted by Nozsr

My bad. I misunderstood.

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05-07-2018 , 05:44 PM

#37

ZuneIt

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+1 to Playbig2000!!! Someone with reading comprehension skills!!!

However, like G says: AK so much more powerful than AQo. That being said, I like Starr's line & I still call pre with AQ suited. However, I am going to be thinking about calling, 'cause I know V2 is capable of a squeeze here based on what I'm reading in OP's post.

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05-07-2018 , 05:56 PM

#38

DumbosTrunk

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I bet turn expecting him to fold worse or make a bad call with JJ/10-10. When he called I realized my read (underpair or AK) was probably wrong and his jam just confirmed it for me, so I sigh folded. He said he had KK.

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05-07-2018 , 06:04 PM

#39

gobbledygeek

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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk

I bet turn expecting him to fold worse or make a bad call with JJ/10-10.

With him drawing so slim if behind, do we want him to fold worse?

If he does manage to eke out a bad call with JJ/TT on the turn is he likely to eke out another bad call on the river (which will be for his stack)?

Gunderstandwhyyouarebetting,imoG

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