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Old 02-19-2019, 08:26 PM   #1
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Is this a call or not? 2/5 NL

Two hands from the weekend that put me in difficult spots and wondering if I made the right decision

Hand 1
Effective stacks ~900, V covers

New game so no reads on anyone, but V is a reg.

Folds to V in CO who opens to 20 (standard at table), I call on BU with AQ and blinds fold

(40) Flop A7Q

V bets 35, I call

(110) Turn 10

V bets 90, I call

(290) River 3

V bets ~275

Hero?

Hand 2
Effective stacks ~900, V covers

Got moved to a different table and it's been 2 hours. Game has had a lot of limping/calling and trash hands making it to showdown and winning. V is a MAWG.

Folds to Hero in LP, who raises to 20 with A10. Folds to BB who sighs and calls.

(40) Flop AQ7

V checks, Hero bets 25 and V calls

(90) Turn 10

V checks, Hero bets 75, V c/r to 200

Hero?
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Old 02-19-2019, 09:13 PM   #2
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Re: Is this a call or not? 2/5 NL

3bet pre hand 1. As played call and get shown the nuts.


Check flop in hand 2. As played fold.
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Old 02-19-2019, 10:05 PM   #3
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3bet pre hand 1. As played call and get shown the nuts.
Check flop in hand 2. As played fold.
+1

To expand from my pov:
Hand 2 works real well as a ck flop. Call turn (or bet). Decide riv.

Hand 1 I probably just call down even if the river weren’t a club/the ace was a club. As played flatting pre, you had a lot of runouts where you could have gotten your stack in, but found the near-nut low. Calling down isn’t nitty, it’s solid. And yea just 3b pre with 100% frequency, the unsuited AQ v CO
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Old 02-19-2019, 10:34 PM   #4
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+1

To expand from my pov:
Hand 2 works real well as a ck flop. Call turn (or bet). Decide riv.

Hand 1 I probably just call down even if the river werenít a club/the ace was a club. As played flatting pre, you had a lot of runouts where you could have gotten your stack in, but found the near-nut low. Calling down isnít nitty, itís solid. And yea just 3b pre with 100% frequency, the unsuited AQ v CO
Thanks. Agree should have 3b pre - I'd been getting 3b / 4b a lot in the first hour at the table and having to fold pre, or post to bad boards. Thought I'd try flatting for a change.

Hand 1
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Hand 2
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Old 02-20-2019, 02:49 AM   #5
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Re: Is this a call or not? 2/5 NL

Both spots seem like standard calls.
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Old 02-20-2019, 03:40 AM   #6
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Can't comment anymore cause of results but doubt calling river is that good in hand 1. Also 3b pre is mandatory.

Hand 2 flop needs to be a check.
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Old 02-20-2019, 07:09 AM   #7
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Re: Is this a call or not? 2/5 NL

Both of those spots are so gross. I've seen results so take my feedback for what it's worth.

Should be looking to 3 bet pre pretty often in h1. It's really hard for V to be bluffing in h1 on that runout, and I don't see people triple with air often for those sizings, but fold is so exploitable...

H2. I might bet or check flop depending on what I thought about V, I'm mostly looking to check, especially with the Ts. The more passive and wider pre V is playing the more I like a bet. Same goes for turn but I lean a bit more toward bet now. This feels more like a call than H1 with so many spade combos being blocked by the board and our hand. We can also still improve.

As played, river is again a gross spot. Against a strong and balanced opponent we are supposed to call with AT with a spade, fold AT no spade but people are under-bluffing typically so I don't mind your fold at all.
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Old 02-20-2019, 08:40 AM   #8
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Re: Is this a call or not? 2/5 NL

Your villain is pretty damned good.
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Old 02-20-2019, 09:01 AM   #9
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Re: Is this a call or not? 2/5 NL

Haven't seen results …

H1 is a 3b pre for value vs. a CO open. If he folds, dead $ is good.
As played, need to raise somewhere before river. Turn - $275.

H2 - not sure what to make of the "sigh/call", so playing hand out really depends on what you've gleaned from the 2 hrs with opponent.
I'm fine with flop cbet vs. a typical BB calling range. Hand shouldn't be a multiple street value hand, so checking is fine also.
As played, probably folding turn, given that turn C/R from loose passive opponents usually mean a nutty hand.
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Old 02-20-2019, 09:03 AM   #10
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Re: Is this a call or not? 2/5 NL

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Both of those spots are so gross. I've seen results so take my feedback for what it's worth.

Should be looking to 3 bet pre pretty often in h1. It's really hard for V to be bluffing in h1 on that runout, and I don't see people triple with air often for those sizings, but fold is so exploitable...

H2. I might bet or check flop depending on what I thought about V, I'm mostly looking to check, especially with the Ts.The more passive and wider pre V is playing the more I like a bet. Same goes for turn but I lean a bit more toward bet now. This feels more like a call than H1 with so many spade combos being blocked by the board and our hand. We can also still improve.

As played, river is again a gross spot. Against a strong and balanced opponent we are supposed to call with AT with a spade, fold AT no spade but people are under-bluffing typically so I don't mind your fold at all.
Holding the will always be more of a reason to bet then check.
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Old 02-20-2019, 09:05 AM   #11
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Both of those spots are so gross. I've seen results so take my feedback for what it's worth.

Should be looking to 3 bet pre pretty often in h1. It's really hard for V to be bluffing in h1 on that runout, and I don't see people triple with air often for those sizings, but fold is so exploitable...

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Might be a dumb question, but please explain how folding here is exploitable when live villians are 1) never going to know what you folded and 2) never really going to have a good sample size on how often you fold to 3 barrels.

Don't get me wrong, before seeing results my comments on hand 1 were 3b pre and as played call. But I don't quite understand the comment.
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Old 02-20-2019, 10:02 AM   #12
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Re: Is this a call or not? 2/5 NL

You are correct. I meant someone playing balanced or aggressively is exploiting us with their range if we fold here. I wasnít suggesting that we are going to get exploited because of the fact that we are folding here. No one knows what we folded as you said. My point was merely that folding this deviates really far from a GTO strategy so we have to be fairly confident in our opponents tendencies to fold.
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Old 02-20-2019, 10:09 AM   #13
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Re: Is this a call or not? 2/5 NL

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Holding the will always be more of a reason to bet then check.
I disagree, you can run it through your solver if you want. Typically I see Pio check here more with the spade because we have less to fear by giving a free card.
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