Lol, okay buddy. Love this kind of table.

Calling here. I'm not giving someome credit for a 3.I

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Joking aside, agreed with him and Quads. Why would you ever leave a table to a guy that is clearly that stereotypical player we always mention that shoves naked draws, and over plays overpairs?

Yes - why would any good player want to leave a game like this? Well, I can think of a few reasons. If you have a deep bank roll and do not mind the variance, I would definitely stay and start calling and re-raising these sorts of players to death especially when I had positional advantage. If you have a smaller bank roll and are trying to make a living off your playing, needing to show a consistent profit, you should probably look for an easier game. After all, if their crazy play is making you fold AA and give up 40% equity it is not a soft game. Often these sorts of players have a steady income and do not mind loosing several sessions in a row.

I did not read this thread until the results were posted, so i never had to commit to a decision. One thing I noticed is the large raise by V1. That is a hand trying to protect a vulnerable holding such as a pocket pair. He is also letting you know he is likely pot committed to his hand if you just call. If you call, the pot will be 510 presuming V2 folds. V1 will only have 315 remaining. I can see him playing many pocket pairs like this if he puts you on 3-betting lots of AK, AQ, KQ, and Ax suited hands as well as a few premium pairs.

As in your analysis, V1 is not really the one you need to worry about, it is V2. Even though V2 does have some 3's in his range, would he really re-raise all in with those hands or with TT? This same logic would apply equally well against V1. If you had the nuts on the flop would you want to raise and push out the other two players or slow play to keep them both in, especially if you think V2 may raise if you just call. It would be way too convoluted to think they are using some third or fourth level thinking or reverse psychology to shove all in with the nuts because they know you know they would never do that so they do it. They are more likely playing more straight forward here.

As to the comment about both of them over playing a one pair hand, they are not playing one pair. They have both appropriately increased the value of their hands based upon the board pairing. They both have two pair hands. If you 3-bet pre-flop with AQ, they are way ahead and they do not want to let you draw cheap to hit a better pair. They know it is harder for you or the other villain to have hit a pair on this flop and this board is not in your 3-bet range. V2 clearly has the nut advantage. It is you who did not upgrade the value of your own pair to a two pair hand. What if flop had been T93 and the turn had been a 3? You are now beating T9 and have hands like TJ crushed. You needed to up-grade the value of your own two pair in this situation.

One person correctly asked how long did V2 think before shoving. I agree, with a really strong hand containing a 3, an opponent should have paused a few seconds to consider how best to react to a C-bet and a very large pot-sized raise. Now, do not put too much weight on this as being last to act, they have had some time to think about things. But the raise by V1 changes things and V2 should now have to stop to consider this.

Knowing V2 likes to hit and run and is getting close to leaving was making me lean towards a fold in this situation. I also liked the fact that we could fold but still see both hands, so we gain vital information for future use without having to pay for it. Anyway, i was thinking to myself, I know i should call here, but i have only invested 75 into this hand and do i really want to risk my entire stack against two players who could potentially have a 3 and a flush draw.

I know this last comment will generate a lot of replies. I was thinking we are likely ahead now, but will we win a majority of the time? Probably not. Do we want to risk going bust half the time or can we find a better place to get it in good? This is the tournament player in me speaking. In hindsight, the more I think about things, I think this is a clear call. But if you have a small bankroll or were near the end of your session and planning to leave soon and loosing this hand would mean leaving down or staying longer to get back even. All those issues could easily factor into my decision to fold here.

Yes I know none of these issues should really influence our decision. Either we have a positive EV and should call or a negative EV and should fold. But that is not always true. Bankroll management is always a concern. If loosing this pot means you have to quit for the day, or buy in short or you feel the game is weak and there are lots of other spots for you to get your money in good, then I see nothing wrong with folding here.

Do people like my long replies or do they just get on your nerves and you quit reading them? Let me know. This is how I usually think about hands away from the table, especially if lots of people have already chimed in with their one or two sentence replies. I am trying to give some feedback to the entire discussion and not just reply to the original post.

As long as their spaced, I dont mind them. I just post from work so it's hard to format a reply.

I disagree with the premise of how you say the Vs upgraded their hand. I think if this were a reverse H hand, we would be critiquing the both. For V1, apart from draws (which H shouldn't have many when they open for 35 on the sb), what is his raise size targeting? As we said from before, he is nut capping himself since he would never take this line with 10/10. I don't know suits, but assuming V2 has the Qd, it's at least good on that front, but it seems like you are setting up for some awkward positions, especially with a player left to act.

V2 is worse, assuming he has the best Q10 on this board. V1 can easily have overpairs, 10s, AKd, and a lot of hands that just crush him. He could be behind other 10s of V1. I normally don't give a **** about things like RIO because of how irrelevant it is in 90% of cases, but this is one of those cases that I could either be drawing dead or drawing light already into two players who are interested in this pot. When people shove semi draws like this, they aren't doing it to just nakedly gamble and hope to hit, but also take advantage of the fact that their opponents have folds in their range that means they can get some immediate value and fold better hands (at the moment) out.

I think this part is a given here. You should have a healthy bankroll, especially at 2/5+ and if you are ever making a decision based on the money, instead of the EV/player, you should be racking up before the next hand is dealt to you.

Edit: Bluespade, do you remember if V2 was Q10d, or some other combo?

Agree about bankroll in general, should not play above your bankroll often. But many do. I remember when I was just getting started as a good 1/3 player and would occasionally buy in short into 2/5 game. If I managed to double or triple up, I was hesitant to risk all my winnings on one 3-way pot. Even if you have an equity advantage like 40 - 30 - 30 in a three-way pot, you are still going to loose 60 percent of the time. Sometimes we just have to remind ourselves that we are getting 2:1 when we do win.