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Call All-In or Fold on the Flop? Call All-In or Fold on the Flop?

03-20-2014 , 05:08 PM
Villain 1 looks like a recreational player. Asian, in his late 20s or early 30s. I don’t give him respect for being a good player because he bought into the game for 50bb ($200) as opposed to competent players who buy-in for the max to maximize their win rate and feel competent in their game. He just sat down within 3 minutes of this hand taking place.

Villain 2 is a Hispanic guy on a downward spiral calling off his stack and is playing every single hand. He is a calling station. Just a degenerate gambler.

Live $2/$4 Full Ring Cash Game at Oaks (200maximum bet or raise on top with $400 max buy-in and $5 drop)

Stacks:

Villain 1 is SB with $195
Villain 2 is UTG+1 with $120
Hero is MP with $350

Pre-Flop: ($6) Hero is MP with AQ
UTG+1 limps for $4, Hero raises to $20, folds around to BTN who calls $20, SB calls $20, UTG+1 calls $16.

Flop: J6Q ($80, 4 players)
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $65, BTN folds, SB raises all-in for $175, UTG+1 goes all-in for $100, Hero?


Do you call getting 4:1 knowing that V2 is on tilt and calling off with his entire range and knowing you only have to be good 20% of the time against V1 to be profitable?

Or do you fold because you think that in live games, c/r are super strong and indicative of sets or two pair hands and you can’t overcall an all-in because V2 is all-in (despite his losing image and style)?

We do not have enough info on V1 to determine if he is overplaying top pair.

Thank you in advance.
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03-20-2014 , 05:37 PM
In general, when playing terrible opponents just put your money in the middle. Not folding this board with this hand vs these opponents. SB often has a flush draw here.
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03-20-2014 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by GrindPokerAllDay
SB often has a flush draw here.
I mistakenly put a flush draw on the flop when I created this post. There actually wasn't a flush draw.

The board ran J6Q

Does this board affect your decision since there is no flush draw?
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03-20-2014 , 07:58 PM
Easy ai.
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03-20-2014 , 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by jsissy
Does this board affect your decision since there is no flush draw?
Without the flush draw I'm not as happy about calling, but still not folding. Given your villain descriptions and the pot odds, folding TPTK would be bad here. Your probably well under 50/50 to win, but your getting odds to call unless you put V1 on a range that is almost entirely two pair and sets.
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03-20-2014 , 09:13 PM
easy call as described
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03-20-2014 , 10:31 PM
I feel like you're beat... But I guess call...

Situations like these are tuff, like do you go with your gut, or do you make the odds/ev play?

I'm a little scared of v1. But I'd hate to see v1's K10 or AK and v2's j9. I think my previous sentence is why you have to call. Go with the numbers on this one
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