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Call 150bb w/ AKo from some rando?? Call 150bb w/ AKo from some rando??

02-23-2019 , 04:35 AM
$1/2 Friday night. $300 max
About 45 minutes into my session (10:30pm).

V1 BTN - ($300) YWG actual TAG, sticky and loose. Been at the table less one than I have. He's a better post flop player than pre flop player, but I don't know if he knows that. He's the only player at the table who's skill level requires some respect. V views H as TAG as well. Has seen me bomb boards w/ the nuts and air. I assume he has some respect for H's game, but believes he's a better LAG and can turn me into a LP player.

V2 EP - ($305) Younger guy, not white??? I somehow have no idea who V2 is. I generally assess V's very quickly and yet have no idea who V is. Maybe he just sat down, maybe he was walking for a bit, maybe he's anonymous and just hasn't been involved. Obviously it's a gap that I don't have a read on V, but I don't, so it is what it is at that point. My guess (?) is V is paying some attention, is ABC and H should have a 'clean'/ABC image.

H HJ - ($365)

V1 straddles the BTN for $7. Very common, nothing to see here. V2 flats the $7, H flats the $7 w/ AKo trying to bloat the pot because V1 won't be able to help himself and will go after the dead money. He'll size up because he's aggro and a reasonably good player and I'll c/r him AI which will have substantial FE and yet still also be +EV against his calling range. One other V calls the $7, V1 makes it $52 total as expected.

Here's where it get interesting. V2 shoves over the top for $305 total. Folds to H.

V1 has any suited broadways, any pp 66+, AJo+, SC's down to maybe 67s, suited 1-gappers, etc... He's pretty wide so far.

V2, well hell, not really sure. He could have a monster, maybe JJ+, AQ+, don't know. Maybe he picked up on V1 as well and is making a move. I get the feeling that I'm ahead of V2's range here, or at least live quite a bit. Also complicating things, I'm not 100% sure how V1 will respond if I call. Will he tighten up because V2 and H should be fairly nutted here or will he widen out because, hey, he's here to gamble and he's getting 2:1 on a call.

H? Note: i have no BR issues or tilt issues should the hand end poorly for me. I'm a little perplexed as to even how complicated a situation this is. Is it an easy stack off, a simple fold or a complicated decision. Thanks.
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02-23-2019 , 04:58 AM
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V1 BTN - ($300) YWG actual TAG, sticky and loose
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Remind yourself what TAG is the acronym of. A maniac stealing every bit of chips he sees isn't a TAG, or a LAG for that matter.

Anyways. I'm not a fan of the l/rr, even less of the overlimp-reraise. From what I see at the tables, it's AA 90% and KK/AK the other 10%.
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02-23-2019 , 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by QuantumSurfer
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Remind yourself what TAG is the acronym of. A maniac stealing every bit of chips he sees isn't a TAG, or a LAG for that matter.

Anyways. I'm not a fan of the l/rr, even less of the overlimp-reraise. From what I see at the tables, it's AA 90% and KK/AK the other 10%.
V1 is not a maniac, but he's extremely aggressive. OH ****, I just saw an error. V1 is a LAG, not a TAG. LAG. Makes a huge difference here. Sorry for the confusion. Mod - Can you fix that in the OP? Makes a huge difference. Thanks.
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02-23-2019 , 06:46 AM
easy fold

don't overthink it
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02-23-2019 , 07:28 AM
If you were 43 bb deep does the situation get easier?
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02-23-2019 , 11:50 AM
Id fold w no hx. Much better spots. At best youre flipping at worst youre crushed. Unless you have reason to believe V2 would do this w AQs, KQs, Ax then I fold.

Also as Im sure you know you should be limping this hand at very very very low frequency. Since you know your game better then I trust your reason for doing it but Id have a 0% frequency lf limping AKo tbh
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02-23-2019 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by El Barbero
If you were 43 bb deep does the situation get easier?

Just to be clear to everyone, I'm serious with this question. We are 43 bb deep here and the bet sizing is basically standard in a 1/2/7 game. Villian made it 7.5 bb raise pre with 3 limpers, then someone 43bb deep shoves, then a <50bb stack shoves, which is not out of line at all.

To me it's a standard call here with out some very very strong reads and if you lose you should be expecting high variance poker when 43 bb deep.

If we change the thread title to call 43 bb w/ AKo from some random?? I bet answers change.

Last edited by El Barbero; 02-23-2019 at 02:23 PM.
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02-23-2019 , 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Prince_of_Whales
Id fold w no hx. Much better spots. At best youre flipping at worst youre crushed. Unless you have reason to believe V2 would do this w AQs, KQs, Ax then I fold.

Also as Im sure you know you should be limping this hand at very very very low frequency. Since you know your game better then I trust your reason for doing it but Id have a 0% frequency lf limping AKo tbh
Fully agree on not limping AK. I've probably limped AK here about once a year. Thought I had a great spot w/ table, stacks, position and most importantly V's near locked action here.
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02-23-2019 , 03:27 PM
Call.

Kind of shocked to see so many fold suggestions. I dont think folding is an option without good reads or tells that villain has a very narrow range. Also there is a little overlay.

Also, expect villain to show up with a wide range here at least 10% of the time. Like everyone folds, tables 26o, this is standard live low stakes behavior that makes folding not a good idea.

Last edited by monikrazy; 02-23-2019 at 03:38 PM.
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02-23-2019 , 05:48 PM
I'm insta-calling, losing to AA and wondering why I keep forgetting how absurdly nitty these games play as everybody assumes I had KK.
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02-23-2019 , 06:14 PM
Raise the first time pal
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02-23-2019 , 06:41 PM
I think you've pretty much answered your own question when you wrote: "I get the feeling that I'm ahead of V2's range here" plus what you describe as a wide-ish/LAG type range for V1. By your own account, you're likely to be ahead of both of their ranges, so calling should be +EV (with high variance, of course).
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02-23-2019 , 10:51 PM
OK, I think this is pretty straight forward, and I think most posters agree. My games play more aggressive than 90% of the games I see described on here meaning V can be / should be lighter than your typical nut peddler.

RESULTS
H tanks, genuinely thinking through the spot, and calls. V1 folds on the button.

Flop 46Qr, turn T, river 5. V asks if I have AK, I say yes, V says 'you're good', I show, V mucks, I scoop.
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