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06-16-2013 , 09:29 PM
One of my biggest problems at the table is calculating odds. This is a huge problem for a poker player as the odds are an extremely important part of the game. I know the outs *2 and outs *4 to get your percentage to hit your hand. But other than that I dont really know what to do to figure out the odds involved in the hand. Help me out with a crash course on poker odds.

What are the most important odds you need to know?

What is the best way to calculate said odds during a hand?

What are the correct pot odds you need in order to call a bet to go for a straight, a flush, a boat, etc.

Basically whats the best way to incorporate math into your game in order to make the correct and most profitable decisions at the table?

Feel free to add anything that I missed
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06-16-2013 , 09:39 PM
Play some limit poker and practice counting odds at the table using memorization.
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06-16-2013 , 09:51 PM
Take your percentage, divide 100 by it and subtract 1. For example if you have 6 outs OTF * 4 = 24%, 100/24 = 4 (approx), so you need 3-1 pot odds to continue (direct, of course).
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06-16-2013 , 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Buster65
Take your percentage, divide 100 by it and subtract 1. For example if you have 6 outs OTF * 4 = 24%, 100/24 = 4 (approx), so you need 3-1 pot odds to continue (direct, of course).
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06-17-2013 , 12:26 AM
Grunch

TBH, I do almost no math at the table when I'm play except in scenarios where someone else is all-in and I have a flush draw or something. All of the basic percentages become memory once you gain experience. In many cases it is more important to know whether or not your opponent will pay you off once you get there rather than whether or not you are getting explicit odds to draw to your hand.
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06-17-2013 , 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ThaNEWPr0fess0r
Grunch

TBH, I do almost no math at the table when I'm play except in scenarios where someone else is all-in and I have a flush draw or something. All of the basic percentages become memory once you gain experience. In many cases it is more important to know whether or not your opponent will pay you off once you get there rather than whether or not you are getting explicit odds to draw to your hand.
^^^This.

Practice these situations at home so that when you face them at the table, you already know the answers. The most important calculation is the one your facing at the table at that moment. What most beginners miss is being able to keep track of the pot size in your head. To start, do this every hand, whether you are in it or not. If you don't know the pot size, you can't make any calculations whatsoever. Don't be "the guy" that stops action while he tries to count how many red chips are in the pot when the decision is on him, begging the dealer to count it out or spread it out so it is easier to count.
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06-18-2013 , 07:15 PM
^ this also.

If I don't already have it, pf I listen for the dealer to announce the number of players in the hand. Times the bet, minus rake, off we go.
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06-19-2013 , 09:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ChipWrecked
^ this also.

If I don't already have it, pf I listen for the dealer to announce the number of players in the hand. Times the bet, minus rake, off we go.
I just had a very stupid aha moment. I was adding up all the bet/calls/raises/folds. Sure it was a bit more accurate with the folded blinds but a hell of a lot more complicated. I'll save my brainpower.
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06-19-2013 , 09:12 AM
Most important thing I think of at the table is the size of the pot the rest happens pretty naturally after
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06-19-2013 , 09:48 AM
Dealer is usually responsible for announcing "5 ways" etc. when the flop hits. Just remember what you called going into that and multiply by 5. Forget blinds for the most part. Of course, there are times a player will leave a large bet and fold... but those should be big even numbers to add.
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06-19-2013 , 03:55 PM
Rule of 2!! Outs X 2 X 2 if going to Turn and X 1 if going to the River. This is close enough. 13 outs x 2 x 2 = 52% favorite to hit by River. This means you can call a pot sized bet and break even in the long run. Calling any smaller bet means you should be money ahead in the long run.

If you have a pair and need 2 pr or trips to win the hand you have 5 outs ... so 20% to win going to the Turn. This means you can only call a bet of $5 into a $20 pot in order to stay in the hand. If you blank the Turn, then you can only call a bet of $4 into a pot of $36 to stay in the hand ... 4=10% of 40.

Most poker players cant 'live' with that math and chase .. GL
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06-19-2013 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by answer20
Most poker players cant 'live' with that math and chase .. GL
Did you accidentally stray out of the limit forum?
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06-19-2013 , 08:05 PM
Check out the "what are the odds ask and BIP will answer" can be found pretty easily if you just scroll down a bit..
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06-19-2013 , 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by answer20
Rule of 2!! Outs X 2 X 2 if going to Turn and X 1 if going to the River. This is close enough. 13 outs x 2 x 2 = 52% favorite to hit by River. This means you can call a pot sized bet and break even in the long run. Calling any smaller bet means you should be money ahead in the long run.

If you have a pair and need 2 pr or trips to win the hand you have 5 outs ... so 20% to win going to the Turn. This means you can only call a bet of $5 into a $20 pot in order to stay in the hand. If you blank the Turn, then you can only call a bet of $4 into a pot of $36 to stay in the hand ... 4=10% of 40.

Most poker players cant 'live' with that math and chase .. GL
You must get a lot of free turn cards.
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