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03-07-2015 , 01:44 PM
1-2 NL.

Table has recently swung from crazy with a couple maniacs to full of regs playing tight.

Hero has very solid image. I have built a stack to $700+ (covering table) by raising in position taking down pots with c bets etc. I beat up the maniacs pretty bad, winning one large pot by calling down with A high, and another by betting AK the whole way, binking broadway on the river. In 4 hours at the table I have only shown down a few hands. Worst hand table has seen me play is AJo. Table has tightened right up and many pots are taken down pre. Haven't been active in the past couple rounds prior to hand in question.

MP V1 is a MAWG rec fish. Somewhat of a reg but most likely a losing player. Earlier in the session he flatted with AK in blinds to my LP raise, and CRAI my c-bet on A high flop. $400.

SB V2 is another MAWG but a much more competent reg, playing tight. $185

Hero $5 button straddles. 4 Limper's, Hero goes to $25 with Q9o. This is a pure steal. I was getting a ton of respect and thought there was a high % I take it down or get HU and take it down with a c bet. Trying to adjust and exploit my image.

Thoughts on line and/or sizing?

SB calls, limper calls and V1 calls. $100ish to the flop.

Flop is JT4r. Checked to hero who now has disguised OESD. Hero bets $60.

Again, thoughts on line and sizing? I have tons of fold equity and implied odds here, don't see a reason to slow down. In hindsight I could have bet a little bigger.

V2 in SB flats, one fold, V1 C/R to $160 total. I am ranging the villain on JT or a set of 4s. Pot is now $380ish. Debated shipping here but decide to flat and evaluate turn. Thoughts on flat versus all in? His undersized raise gave me the right odds to just call. SB V2 calls, putting him all in.

Turn is a Q. V1 checks. Hero checks behind. Is this a bet? If I bet it has to be for value, I thought a fold was unlikely from this V based on reads and history.

River is an offsuit 10. Villain ships $200. Hero?

This is a long complicated hand, would like thoughts on pretty much every street. Will post results later.
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03-07-2015 , 03:25 PM
Well this is one hell of an an awkward hand (not in a bad way). I like the button raise pre, though I may have gone just a tad higher to $30. Flop is interesting. I think if there is a good chance we take it down when checked to I bet $70-75 but with a nice pot already built I may just elect to take the free card here and see what develops OTT.

The way the hand played out I am fairly certain you are up against JT here that was afraid of broadway and checked the turn but now boated up on the river and wants to get paid.

While pot odds may just barely dictate a call I think you are smoked here. V1 has shown significant aggression at two points in the hand (C/R flop, shipping river) and all you have is a lowly top pair weak kicker.

To put it into context, I think if you had broadway this would be a hero call. So this is a trivial fold.
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03-07-2015 , 09:17 PM
weird hand. Pre is good. I like taking free card on flop. C/r is super strong. If the odds are there I peel one and pray to hit the turn. Folding to his turn bet unless the stacks are so that the odds are there. I think im behind on the turn and happy to take free card. Folding river. I think he boated.
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03-08-2015 , 10:14 PM
He turned over KJo. I asked him if he was bluffing or betting for value.
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03-08-2015 , 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by kyledizzy
1-2 NL.

Table has recently swung from crazy with a couple maniacs to full of regs playing tight.

Hero has very solid image. I have built a stack to $700+ (covering table) by raising in position taking down pots with c bets etc. I beat up the maniacs pretty bad, winning one large pot by calling down with A high, and another by betting AK the whole way, binking broadway on the river. In 4 hours at the table I have only shown down a few hands. Worst hand table has seen me play is AJo. Table has tightened right up and many pots are taken down pre. Haven't been active in the past couple rounds prior to hand in question.

MP V1 is a MAWG rec fish. Somewhat of a reg but most likely a losing player. Earlier in the session he flatted with AK in blinds to my LP raise, and CRAI my c-bet on A high flop. $400.

SB V2 is another MAWG but a much more competent reg, playing tight. $185

Hero $5 button straddles. 4 Limper's, Hero goes to $25 with Q9o. This is a pure steal. I was getting a ton of respect and thought there was a high % I take it down or get HU and take it down with a c bet. Trying to adjust and exploit my image.

Thoughts on line and/or sizing?
Where I usually play, I don't see you taking it down PF with a $20 raise very often [maybe 15-20% & I think that's generous] against 4 opponents. You have everyone covered, giving them a full coverage on their stacks.

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Originally Posted by kyledizzy
SB calls, limper calls and V1 calls. $100ish to the flop.

Flop is JT4r. Checked to hero who now has disguised OESD. Hero bets $60.

Again, thoughts on line and sizing? I have tons of fold equity and implied odds here, don't see a reason to slow down. In hindsight I could have bet a little bigger.
I like the bet, however, I don't see any fold equity, if, you're referring to everyone folding. I think AJ,AT, KJ,KT, KQ, 98 will call.

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Originally Posted by kyledizzy
V2 in SB flats, one fold, V1 C/R to $160 total. I am ranging the villain on JT or a set of 4s. Pot is now $380ish. Debated shipping here but decide to flat and evaluate turn. Thoughts on flat versus all in? His undersized raise gave me the right odds to just call. SB V2 calls, putting him all in.
Fish don't know how to properly size their bets where I play. $100 is 1/4 of what he started with, which to him, may seem like a lot.

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Originally Posted by kyledizzy
Turn is a Q. V1 checks. Hero checks behind. Is this a bet? If I bet it has to be for value, I thought a fold was unlikely from this V based on reads and history.

River is an offsuit 10. Villain ships $200. Hero?

This is a long complicated hand, would like thoughts on pretty much every street. Will post results later.
I am too tired to do the math to figure out how much is in the pot, but I think V has you beat.

It helps to post totals as you go along, such as:

Turn: T98 [5] $500 in pot.

V bets $200, etc
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03-08-2015 , 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by kyledizzy
Hero $5 button straddles. 4 Limper's, Hero goes to $25 with Q9o. This is a pure steal. I was getting a ton of respect and thought there was a high % I take it down or get HU and take it down with a c bet. Trying to adjust and exploit my image.

Thoughts on line and/or sizing?
This is fine, and Q9-off has potential in case you get called. You do have to consider that the limpers are more likely to stay in against a straddle. Maybe they understand you're straddling with a random hand, or maybe they call just because...


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SB calls, limper calls and V1 calls. $100ish to the flop.

Flop is JT4r. Checked to hero who now has disguised OESD. Hero bets $60.

Again, thoughts on line and sizing? I have tons of fold equity and implied odds here, don't see a reason to slow down. In hindsight I could have bet a little bigger.
I wouldn't figure you have "tons" of fold equity here since you have to go through three callers, and that flop hits a lot of hands they'll limp: AQ, AJ, AT, KQ, KJ, KT, QJ, QT, and the most dangerous possibility: JT. Here, my inclination would be to take the freebie and see what develops.

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V2 in SB flats, one fold, V1 C/R to $160 total. I am ranging the villain on JT or a set of 4s. Pot is now $380ish. Debated shipping here but decide to flat and evaluate turn. Thoughts on flat versus all in? His undersized raise gave me the right odds to just call. SB V2 calls, putting him all in.
I wouldn't go running nut scared here. A lot of players like to get "trappy" with sets, and frequently a C/R on the flop could be a sign of weakness here. Someone holding a TPTK hand will C/R this flop to "see where he's at". That's not a good policy for NL, but works just fine for fixed limit where it'll cost you just one more bet. Stack preservation takes precedence over hand protection at NL, but there are a lot of players who haven't discovered this just yet.

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Turn is a Q. V1 checks. Hero checks behind. Is this a bet? If I bet it has to be for value, I thought a fold was unlikely from this V based on reads and history.
The only hands that a Q helps at this point is AK (would have raised pre) 98 (would a 98 stick around this long to draw at the dead end) QJ or AQ, KQ. If the vill doesn't have such a hand, that Q is likely to be a scary card. I'd lead here since this is where you'll have fold equity, more than on the flop.

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River is an offsuit 10. Villain ships $200. Hero?

This is a long complicated hand, would like thoughts on pretty much every street. Will post results later.
This is highly player specific. If he's one whom you have never seen ship without the nutz or close to it, then it's a clear fold. If he can get bluffy, or if he now thinks his one pair hand is good because you called the C/R on the flop and checked the turn, then it's a call. You have to also keep in mind that low limit players will do some of the strangest things. If you call off and get shown something "impossible", oh well... reload. You'll get it back later, eventually.
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03-09-2015 , 01:02 AM
Raising pre seems too ambitious to me. It's not terrible, but just borders on FPS.

While pre is OK, the flop is not. I'd also just check flop. Yeah the OESD is sweet, but this flop crushes ranges and you're multi-way; it's a good spot to check behind.

The rest seems fine if you folded river.
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