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11-16-2014 , 07:39 PM
Game is 2/4NL, local casino.

Hero (button) ($350) loose image probably, just lost a decent pot.

V1 (BB) ($300) Asian who just got to the table.

V2 (UTG+1) ($1000+) Indian man, haven't seen here before but seems to have good knowledge of the game. Won some nice pots.

V2 UTG+1 limps, 2 other limpers to me in button with K10 I raise to 22. V1 in BB calls. V2 in UTG + 1 calls. rest fold.

Flop (~$76)

4K9

Both check, I bet 35.. Both call.

Turn (~$181)

3

V1 Donks $25. V2 Calls. Hero???
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11-16-2014 , 07:55 PM
i would just call.
raising is a bluff imo. if you're ahead, they are drawing pretty thin and i'm not sure if you'd be able to get either one to fold a better hand at this stack depth.

Last edited by Professor4Poker; 11-16-2014 at 08:08 PM.
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11-16-2014 , 07:57 PM
Call....

Are you questioning if you should raise?

I wouldnt...give him another street to bet...if you miss your flush call him on the river...if you hit obv raise

Like said above you dont want to fold out worse...usually these donk bets represent weakness...in some cases villian dependent its 2pair type hands.
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11-16-2014 , 08:20 PM
With 3 limpers pre im overlimping KTs... Especially with what sounds like a decent TAG in UTG+1. I don't really want to play in a multiway, bloated pot with an easily dominated hand only 75bb deep.

As played just calling turn
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11-17-2014 , 12:38 AM
Yes I was questioning whether to raise. Super small bets like this confuse me .. they're pretty polarising. I guess it just felt weak to call here given the pot size

And yeah good advice HH2010
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11-17-2014 , 01:15 AM
Check flop. As played raise turn. If called you can check back blank rivers and bomb flush cards.
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11-17-2014 , 01:19 AM
call and get him to donk the river.
I'll call any river bet unless big when 4, 9 or gutshot cards comes.
I'll check back if river is a non-spade.
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11-17-2014 , 03:53 AM
I would cbet bigger on the flop here. Probably $50-55. Calling the donk bet and re-evaluating on the river and if no spade shows up just calling another small donk bet or checking. If a spade shows raise.
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11-17-2014 , 04:37 AM
I really want to raise this turn, but I'm not sure why. Hmmmm....

$25 into a $181 pot is almost always a weak blocker bet. His bet is only around 14% of the pot.

At this point, we likely have a pretty decent equity advantage over their ranges. There's $231 just sitting in the pot. If we raise small...like to $65 total, that wouldn't blow them off their garbage. If they're calling $25 on the turn, they'll likely call $65. The only danger is getting 3-bet/blown off our draw, but two pair is very unlikely on this board and it's hard to imagine a set betting so small.

Maybe their range is something like this:
K7s+, KJo, KQo, 44-TT, a few gutshots, maybe A9, maybe some J9s, T9s that peeled one off and wants another cheap one.

What would they call $25 that they wouldn't call another $40 on the turn? We've got an equity advantage over their range, so might as well get $ in the pot now. The weaker part of their range isn't likely to fire again on the river against 2 Vs unless it hits. They're not betting the turn as a bluff. They're betting to keep from having to call a larger bet.
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11-17-2014 , 08:26 PM
Are we calling the turn to call the river? I think we are outkicked most of the time here or even beat by a goofy two pair or set. Either way, there is no point in caling the turn the fold the river. Calling means we think there a decent chance we are ahead. KJ or KQ is very possible. Clear fold IMO. And we could also make this decision easier if we just limp on the button. Raising with K10 is not ahead of our opponents range very often unless we think they are terribad and are in there with K7 suited type of stuff. I could certainly justify a smaller raise or a limp behind just to keep the pot smaller since we have a vulnerable hand. Now, if the question is to raise the turn or not then the question is will they fold top pair and what is villians range. Problem is its kinda hard to semi bluff through two people and you could be drawing dead part of the time here too. To me, the turn beat just screams a blocking bet with a Kx type of hands. You just hand to determine their ranges and go from there. Usually fold tho.
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11-17-2014 , 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by HH2010
With 3 limpers pre im overlimping KTs... Especially with what sounds like a decent TAG in UTG+1. I don't really want to play in a multiway, bloated pot with an easily dominated hand only 75bb deep.

As played just calling turn
i'm never limping this hand and raising it.

IT doesn't mater if you are behind - you have position with a hand that plays very well. And if you are a good player you want a bloated pot in position with this hand.

Also you may fold out 1 or 2 of them -
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11-17-2014 , 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by gjpure
Are we calling the turn to call the river? I think we are outkicked most of the time here or even beat by a goofy two pair or set. Either way, there is no point in caling the turn the fold the river. Calling means we think there a decent chance we are ahead. KJ or KQ is very possible. Clear fold IMO. And we could also make this decision easier if we just limp on the button. Raising with K10 is not ahead of our opponents range very often unless we think they are terribad and are in there with K7 suited type of stuff. I could certainly justify a smaller raise or a limp behind just to keep the pot smaller since we have a vulnerable hand. Now, if the question is to raise the turn or not then the question is will they fold top pair and what is villians range. Problem is its kinda hard to semi bluff through two people and you could be drawing dead part of the time here too. To me, the turn beat just screams a blocking bet with a Kx type of hands. You just hand to determine their ranges and go from there. Usually fold tho.
We have a flush draw. That alone is worth a call.
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11-18-2014 , 09:05 AM
even without the flush draw, pot odds say call this tiny bet. the addition of the flush draw makes it criminal not to call. Pot odds say call is profitable.
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