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A butchered (?) KK in the SB - 2/5 - straddled pot A butchered (?) KK in the SB - 2/5 - straddled pot

04-03-2017 , 11:28 AM
First off this is a friend rather than me and therefore there are some gaps in the information and thus I don't expect the best analysis available......

2-5 home game, NYC, pretty actiony loose gambly table (in general....).

UTG - straddler - $600 - gambly, not hugely relevant to hand other than our preflop sizing (purely because of the way it played out)

MP1/MP2 - $700 - same reads as UTG, again same lack of relevance entirely on how it played out

Hero - SB - covers by a lot - young 20s Asian, has had to show down some bluffs but in general has had it at at showdown, running hot

BB - $800 - seems fairly balanced on the whole and I would say is the best player at the table here. H is not scared to tangle with him and he certainly has some moves.


OTTH:

UTG straddles to $10, MP1 and 2 call, we look down at KK and for some reason decide that making it $24 is the correct sizing. Clearly it isn't, but we do that anyway.

BB then makes it $59, all others fold?

We? I can see merits to flatting and 4b here (hang on, is a straddle technically a 3b so our $24 is a 4b already? No don't think so....) as we're closing the action and it's already HU, and I think that if we 4b to say $165 he only continues with KK-AA or AK and maybe QQ. Definitely don't think he gets in 80 straddles with QQ anyway? Certainly not JJ?

We decided to flat

Flop is Q J Tr ($148)

H checks, V $50 (?)

We flat (?)

T - brick (like 4x) ($248)

H checks, V $50 again....

We? Yes that's right, we decide to flat again.

River - brick (6x no flush) ($348)

We?


All street thoughts welcomed. I appreciated there's not all the info required here for a full analysis but I couldn't really figure out wtf to do here on most streets, so all help welcome.

N1.
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04-03-2017 , 12:05 PM
Well after our horrible 3bet sizing i play it the same way, probably check calling another small- medium sized bet (anything under 70% of pot), and check folding to anything close to a pot sized bet on the river
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04-03-2017 , 12:06 PM
Bet folding $170 otr would be good too.
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04-03-2017 , 12:43 PM
C/f. That bet on the turn feels exactly like AA.
The bet sizing pre could be a factor in the hand but I wouldn't think it is as big as one might think. In reality what happened you opened and got 3bet really small from a player who knows he's going to be OOP to you throughout the hand. So I'd give him credit for a hand whatsoever. In the end it comes down to math. If he bets again small and you feel like he might bluff with a small bet size on the river than call. But what can you expect beat? You don't beat AK, QQ, JJ, TT all of which would 3bet you pre. You do beat 99, AQ but I don't think he'd 3! so small oop. Even the QJs and JTs that he would balance his 3! range got you beat here. So you only beat two very unlikely combinations in his range and some random bluffs - hands like Axs and such but these are not consistent with the betting here.
So I think he's value betting AA.

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04-04-2017 , 08:19 AM
BUMP.

I thought this was way more interesting a hand than 2 people responding. Could be wrong though.
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04-04-2017 , 09:35 AM
I think he has AA. I don't really know what you're beating here. Probably chk/calling river anyway.
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04-04-2017 , 10:18 AM
Thoughts on any other streets? Merits to CR turn? Can we CR turn as a bluff to fold out AA sometimes? Donk lead river for 220 to attempt to fold out AA?

In discussion with the friend he thinks after the weak sizing on flop and turn the range is huuuuuuuuuuuuugely weighted to AA, any weight in thinking about turning KK into a bluff at all?
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04-04-2017 , 01:43 PM
The only way you could tell a believable story is to c/r the flop to something like 175-200 and shove turn. But it's very high variance and I am sure it cannot be profitable. Because you're evaluating a play against a single hand. But if you evaluate it against his entire range then it is definitely a loosing spew.
I don't understand why you are not happy with the way the hand played out? Sometimes you run KK into AA and you should be happy that, because he played the hand face up, you get to loose the minimum...

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04-04-2017 , 05:13 PM
So there's a $10 straddle and two limpers and you make it $24?!?

$50 pre; and keep piling the money in if V puts in the 3!.
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04-04-2017 , 08:11 PM
Yeah, i dont know what your beating that he 3! OOP pf with? 99/AQ i guess? If its KK vs AA you probably lost the absolute minimum.
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