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07-08-2014 , 08:06 AM
Ok here is a hand from earlier this evening.

2/4 200-400 buy in.

V1 not well know occasional player, who appears to be a bit stationy pre and sticky post. (750)
V2 Asian casual losing player, plays way too many hands, limp calls raises lots regardless of position. Sat to my left and always seems to call my raises. (650)
Hero - I've been active from the HJ, CO and button raising pre, winning small ish pots fairly frequently and building a stack without going to showdown. Probably seen to be a bit loose. and aggressive tonight. (~700)

2 limps, MP raises to 20
V1 calls
I look down at AcAd in the SB and 3 bet to 75.
V2 in BB tank calls, and appears to contemplate possibly raising.
limpers fold, MP folds and V1 calls

Flop (255)
10c10hKc

I lead for 135

V2 tank calls
V1 calls

Turn 2d (525)
Hero ships for ~490

V2 tank ponders and calls
V1 folds

9c on the river

Thoughts and reasoning please

Last edited by BIGFISH72; 07-08-2014 at 08:18 AM.
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07-08-2014 , 11:41 AM
With two calls I likely will not be shipping turn. Maybe he has AK to stack off with but that's about the only good thing that's calling.
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07-08-2014 , 12:45 PM
3! Bigger.

Rest is fine
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07-08-2014 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by spikeraw22
With two calls I likely will not be shipping turn. Maybe he has AK to stack off with but that's about the only good thing that's calling.
Are you check folding then? Bet/folding? That was a pretty safe turn card. Given V descriptions im fine with how this played out. The board is too wet to try to bet small and leave ourselves a way out if we get outflopped.
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07-08-2014 , 03:52 PM
I'm thinking of it this way. What is going to call a ~PSB on the turn? You likely fold out only Kx, all PP's -KK and QJ (maybe QJ). You've got two V's who both called a PF 3 bet and both called the cbet. I can totally see them having Kx but can't see them calling with it on the turn. It seems you're only getting a turn call by Tx and KK. Maybe I'm way off. I'd just hold off to the river where my chances of stacking off favorably are way better. We hold half the outs for QJ as well.
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07-08-2014 , 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by spikeraw22
I'm thinking of it this way. What is going to call a ~PSB on the turn? You likely fold out only Kx, all PP's -KK and QJ (maybe QJ). You've got two V's who both called a PF 3 bet and both called the cbet. I can totally see them having Kx but can't see them calling with it on the turn. It seems you're only getting a turn call by Tx and KK. Maybe I'm way off. I'd just hold off to the river where my chances of stacking off favorably are way better. We hold half the outs for QJ as well.
3 way, I think AK can't let go and neither can a flush draw/SD.
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07-08-2014 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by BIGFISH72
3 way, I think AK can't let go and neither can a flush draw/SD.
Didn't read the FD. Will have to reconsider that. If you believe that the draws will call as well as AK it's a certain ship, although having the A eliminates many many FD's in a 3 bet pot.
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07-08-2014 , 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
3! Bigger.

Rest is fine
3bet how much and why?

The initial preflop raiser had about 500 starting stack.

If we raise bigger, don't you think there is a good possibility of all villains folding pre?

I though my sizing was such that I get 1, maybe 2 callers max.

I didn't expect the BB to call too.
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07-08-2014 , 04:41 PM
After some thought, there are zero fds in play. Ill acknowledge jqs maybe but if they're calling a 3bet pre with it they're also calling te turn shove with ak so ship it in that case. If not I see no value in being the turn.
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07-10-2014 , 07:38 AM
I've been giving this hand a lot of thought.

From the small blind I wonder if I should have checked the flop to evaluate as by betting I'm only called by AK and 10x, and any flush draw but as I have the Ac I'm not sure how many FD's there are.

Saying that if the flop is checked around, then I'm betting most turns, except a Club or a K and the same on the river which effectively gets my stack in anyway.

If V2 checks flop and V1 bets I'm still calling. If Villain 2 calls too then what do I do ott?

I think a bigger 3 bet to 90 may have been better with a plan to gii and a more comfortable decision.

I had a strong belief that the V in the BB had AK and V1 a flush draw.

Needless to say I lost the hand.

Last edited by BIGFISH72; 07-10-2014 at 07:45 AM.
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