.25/.50

i cover all stacks, 350 eff

72 game is on.($2 per player)

UTG opens to 2.5...(loose player)

Hero UTG+1 to 9.25 with AA...

6 Players call and its back on UTG who tanks and then makes it 51, he has about 160 behind

This is obviously a dream spot but I think it's an interesting decision between minclicking and Jamming?

thanks for any feedback

I would go even bigger pre, being over 400BB effective. I can't imagine there's a difference results wise between min clicking and jamming. I default to jam.

I prefer jamming. I think min raise scream even more AA. If the guys call your min raise, I think he will also call your Jam. So it's better IMO to get your money in while youre clearly the favorite. It will also help you to isolate your opponent. AA is way better heads up than 3 or 4 way pot.

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Lulz... 100% CIB. Let the other 6 players call and get back to UTG and let him shove.

You mean to tell me that you actually think six people are gonna call $102 after calling $9.25? But they won't call $211?

You're thinking about it in text...

The difference in physical chip stacks leads to an emotional response in live poker.

I just don't buy it in this instance. There's a huge difference in calling $9.25, and calling $102/$211, even for live fish. I seriously doubt you'll see a difference in the action between 2x and shove.

If this is all pre flop AA is the best starting hand, so with no flop you’re not getting trapped by a small pair making a set....AA is an insta jam. Sometimes just taking it down isn’t such a bad thing sure you want felt someone but you also don’t risk getting cracked either if they fold to you

Watch some videos of the nonsense that Durr would pull by simultaneously saying "all-in" while pushing out a calling stack.

I was thinking that i did wan't to minclick in heindseight but with the intentions of getting called by UTG and dragging him into a tiny SPR situation post flop where he will be forced to go with his hand on a lot boards

Depending on the preflop action after your raise, you can either not affect whether or not they have the odds to call (if everyone calls) or they will not have the odds to call (if only the smaller pair calls). After the flop, you are indifferent as to whether they made their set, therefore, you should not factor this situation into your preflop decision.

If you shove and the players aren't mouth breathers, most will fold. So if you want to win the pot now as it is, then shove. CIB screams aces, too. Honestly, I call here if I want to win the maximum.

Am I the only one that prefers flatting the $51 here? Sure, it's a lot riskier and you invite people in to the pot to possibly crack your AA with their KJo, 22 or 97s, but more often than not, these guys are just going to flop a 1pr hand or a draw, you can stack off against them on the flop and be the favourite to win a massive pot.

I'm not content with just jamming and winning ~$200 in EV here. I want to invite more people in and win a $500+ pot.

I agree completely. Glad I'm not the only one.

Calling is so much better than click back 4 bet. Like the pot will be so big that we really aren’t sweating all that much and can just take whatever line nets us the most equity. Then get it in on like any flop (even cancer like JT9)


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What's brutal about this spot? I think we're deep enough to make it 95 to go here and get the rest in on the flop. There's already 230-ish BB in the pot so neither raising small or jamming seems brutal. Would like to get some action and at a loose home game and we still may in either case. I see the temptation to flat but I'm not sure the upside outweighs the loss in equity unless we know player tendencies both pre and post flop. If we have been seen 5 bet jamming AK recently then I like a jam more. Otherwise I think 95 does the job and allows fish to still do what they do.

I’d call AA, AKs in this configuration facing the utg 4! and shove/fold everything else.

this is interesting option as well, i don't think i have to worry about the hand going 6 or 7 way i would probably expect maybe 1 or 2 callers behind if i called and maybe even a re-raise if im lucky

I think CIB may scream AA but he would still just have to call tho right? and then the SPR is so small post flop he'll be forced to go with a lot hands, idk this was my thinking in heindseight however the flat call is a viable option too ,

but then again on the other side of the coin, there is a lot of dead money out there, 72 game is on, home game enviroment... i will be incentified to have more than just KK+ when i jam here so maybe i could still get called by jamming

I hear ya

Player that raised me is a Loose action player who raised and then 4bet from UTG, in my mind when i raise him i believe that he is never folding

he opens UTG and UTG+1 3bets him , 6 calls, then he 4bets

This is an extremely tight configuration, He shouldn't really be 4bet folding too often right? bc his range is so narrow and he committed close to 1/3 of his stack and he will now be getting good price with all the dead money out there

I was just being sarcastic/clickbaiting about the brutal spot lol its the absolute dream to have the nuts and ppl betting into you

Yea im not sure how flatting and minclicking compare but i do think it is close, i like a raise around the 95 mark looking back but i have no idea which path is most profitable

Honestly who knows lol. Personally i call, imo allows for more potential mistakes from opponents and your hand needs zero protection

Youre letting 6 players potentially get away from AQs/AK/1010-QQ or whatever nonsense will continue by ripping or min 5b here. I dont like jamming or min 5b. And you have position on the pfr. Sounds like a dream to flat to me.

Aside from that, you min 5b or jam nothing but aces here. Literally.

It's always so brutal when you have AA and get 4b. So brutal.

hahah i know right , siiiick

There is plenty of dead money out there and the 4better in this hand is a very action player whose range is probly wider than it looks,

I can easily have AKs and jam and thats what i would do with that hand , probly AKos as well , this guy is known for overvaluing hands

and to prove my analysis is correct.. the results: i did jam and he did fold

what can he be 4bet folding here? i honestly don't know but the fact that he can find a fold means that the FE was indeed there

So you want to fold out all his bluffs which are drawing dead while holding the nuts.

Im not convinced at all regs would ship AK pure 400bb deep with pfr eff and 700bb deep with 6 callers uncapped. Sounds not so great to me (any of the cold callers could easily have AA/KK) and seems punty.

Saying he has a bluffy range here makes the ship pre even worse. You let him off the hook with his air/spaz and you let everyone else off with every hand that could have made a mistake if you had flatted. Obv its impossible to compare the ev of flat vs jam but imo ev of flat is way way higher than jamming.

If you call, what will JJ/QQ/AK/AQs do behind? Probably call and get stacked i reckon

You're missing the point, I'm not saying that i want to generate folds here; I'm saying that my range is wider than just AA and i could easily have all 16 combos of AK, I will be incentified to have more than the nuts is all im saying there is so much dead money out there, he will be getting great price and he will have very strong range despite his image

And im not saying that shoving is the best play, thats why i posted the hand asking what option ppl would chose here lol


flatting might be better, i don't know, but shoving is certainly fine here as well, its impossible to **** this hand up , i just think its important to look at some spots like this that often get overlooked and potential value may be left on the table