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Old 12-30-2013, 08:43 PM   #1
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broadway on paired board

hi guys,

the villian in this hand is a middle eastern guy in 30's. he joined the table about 30 mins before the hand. he has won a couple of pots without showdown and lost to a guy (short stack who had KK , the villian did not show his hand.)

hero also recently joined the table and has not been involved in many hands. hero has 100 bb, while vilian has 200 bb.

hero is in the cut off while villian is on the button. hero has AsQs, and raises to 4 bb.


villian 3 bets to 10 bb, hero flats?

flop is KcJh4c

hero checks, villian checks behind. turn is the 4h.

hero bets 12 bb into a pot of 23bb, villian flats. pot is now 47 bb

river is the 10s and hero makes the nut straight and bets 32 bb

v asks the hero how much he has behind and puts him all in to call...

hero has 45 bb left with around 155 bb in the pot... getting great odds?

i stoved this putting the v on a range of JJ+ , AK, AQ( maybe) and hero has an equity of 68%...

Please let me know your comments on the way hand was played and your thought process at every street...






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Old 12-30-2013, 09:04 PM   #2
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Re: broadway on paired board

Shat stakes are these? Generally, I put ME guys as full of gambool, but that's more for middle-aged ones than those in there 30s. Without more info, I'd usually fold AQs to a 3-bet without deeper effective stacks.

Flop check is obv, and don't hate the attempt to pick up an orphaned pot OTT. Once he calls, I am done with the hand unless we hit our straight. If we hit a pair OTR, I am only calling the smallest of bets.

Obv never folding river. There are a lot of boats in his range, but there's also a ton of AK and AA.
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Old 12-30-2013, 09:15 PM   #3
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Re: broadway on paired board

You didn't say if this was 1/2, 2/5 or something else. It makes a bit of a difference in my default assumptions about play though I don't think it changes anything here. Preflop is very situations, I might fold or call depending on how aggressive villain has been preflop. I don't like playing AQ OOP against an unknown but it is too good a hand to give up to an aggressive preflop bettor. I would be planning on playing cautiously post flop and would check flop also since this didn't hit hero and had a good chance of hitting villain.

I would use a mix of bets and checks on turn. Hero can represent an AK that checked to let villain bet. When that gets called, I'm assuming villain has something and would be mostly giving up. River is an ugly situation, and given the way the hand played out calling is close to a crying call but I don't think I could fold the straight here against an unknown villain.
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Old 12-30-2013, 09:32 PM   #4
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Thanks for your comments guys the stakes are 1/2 GBP...

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Old 12-30-2013, 09:36 PM   #5
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Re: broadway on paired board

Obv my first word above should be "what," not "shat." Sorry for the accidental slur. too late to edit.
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Old 12-30-2013, 10:54 PM   #6
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Well played. Turn bet is fine but done if called.

River is fist bump bet/gii.

Rebuy if beat. Never folding here.
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Old 12-30-2013, 10:56 PM   #7
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Re: broadway on paired board

classic garick. shat is such an awesome word. shoulda let it be. btw. high five your dealer and tuck your erection under your belt when yiu go to the bar to get a shot
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Old 12-30-2013, 11:15 PM   #8
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Re: broadway on paired board

Grunch:

Well your range is wrong.
He never slow plays TPTK for that long and then shoves on the river when the board get worse for him.

I think he has a lot of 4's in his range. Some full houses. Some straights.
In the end I think this has to be a call. Mainly because he can have Q9 with the way that the hand played out. As well as other worse hands. Some 2p that are just stupid and think they are good.
It's rare for villains to flat the turn with a FH, so those are less likely.
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Old 12-30-2013, 11:56 PM   #9
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Grunch:

Well your range is wrong.

I think he has a lot of 4's in his range...he can [also] have Q9 with the way that the hand played out.
How many villains are ever 3-bet squeezing from the button with 4x or Q9?


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Old 12-31-2013, 12:02 AM   #10
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Re: broadway on paired board

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How many villains are ever 3-bet squeezing from the button with 4x or Q9?


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Not that many.
I'm just too stupid to remember the OP from the time that it took me to start my post till the time that I ended my post.

I'm sure the 4 glasses of wine that I've had tonight didn't help that.
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Old 12-31-2013, 12:13 AM   #11
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Re: broadway on paired board

Lol ok he def doesn't have Q9 or 4x in his 3 bet range. I don't see how that's any more likely than TPTK. As played given stack sizes, the odds to call and that you apparantly have no reads this is a call. I think your range is a bit wide as I doubt QQ is ever being played this way by anyone with a brain.

Although I believe we can get away from this hand because this is so rarely a bluff if ever, I am not folding this to a villan I know nothing about. You have no clue how good or bad this V is so you have no idea what his value shoving range is. I say more often than not this is KK or JJ trapping especially since he would likely know you are drawing dead on the turn and he has the benefit of position.

However I think KJ and AA is in his range enough for this call to be break even once you add in the chance he is full of ****. So if we knew that this particular V was a competent TAG we could surely find a fold Because no TAG would ever play two pair like this. If we knew that this player was capable of having Q9 or 4x in his 3 betting range again our call is much easier. This only comes with know history of a villan.

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Old 12-31-2013, 05:30 AM   #12
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Re: broadway on paired board

Nh and Wp (if you called).
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Old 12-31-2013, 08:13 AM   #13
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Re: broadway on paired board

Thanks for all your comment guys, i analysed the hand again, and took out AK and QQ being in his range as no one woud play those hands that way. i think the villian would bet AK on he flop definitely, while QQ is less likely as we have a Q, but if he has it ideally wont shove the river unless he was a maniac ( I am not sure this guy was)

Assuming that his range consisted of AA(less likely though possible),KK,JJ , maybe i could find a fold if my stack was deeper. But the way the hand played out, i called and the V had JJ for a house. Not being result oriented i think i made the right decision being in that situation and according to you guys too.

Thanks for all the analysis guys, it really helps me improve my game whenever i post.
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