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12-05-2014 , 03:30 AM
Tonight I sat down at 2/5 with a $200 buy-in

I hate buying in short but I only had $200 on me at that time.

V1 extremely loose asian player. tilting very hard lost 3 buyins quickly
V2 tight player. solid TAG

(UTG) V1 $$500
(MP) V2 $450
(BTN)HERO $225 (QQ)

PRE
SB
BB
V1 raise to 25.
V2 raise to 100
HERO ?????

JAM-FOLD.

I guess this really isn't a question. I just want to know your input on buying in short, and getting put in this situation.
I'm guessing I should have been at 1/2
and folding especially I know I'm beat. Best case scenario he has AK and we flip for it.

Last edited by The_gorf; 12-05-2014 at 03:45 AM.
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12-05-2014 , 06:32 AM
Depends a lot on just how loose V1 is stacking off and whether we think V2 has adjusted to that. If I'm V2, I'm iso-3 betting a lot wider than AK if V1 is tilting off stacks right now.
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12-05-2014 , 07:31 AM
this is no brainer with your stack imo
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12-05-2014 , 11:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The_gorf
Tonight I sat down at 2/5 with a $200 buy-in

I hate buying in short but I only had $200 on me at that time.

V1 extremely loose asian player. tilting very hard lost 3 buyins quickly
V2 tight player. solid TAG

(UTG) V1 $$500
(MP) V2 $450
(BTN)HERO $225 (QQ)

PRE
SB
BB
V1 raise to 25.
V2 raise to 100
HERO ?????

JAM-FOLD.

I guess this really isn't a question. I just want to know your input on buying in short, and getting put in this situation.
I'm guessing I should have been at 1/2
and folding especially I know I'm beat. Best case scenario he has AK and we flip for it.
You have 40bb and QQ preflop

arrrrr in ainec
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12-05-2014 , 01:23 PM
Jam. You get snap called by worse. And you get sigh called by wayyyyy worse.
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12-05-2014 , 01:47 PM
What was your goal when you sat down short? And it's your only buy-in ... are you ready to leave? Would you feel differently if you were on your 'last' $200 during a bad session?

Playing short means thinking a bit differently, but in this case here I'm not sure it matters that you are short. Either you take V2 as uber tight AA/KK/AK or let him slip down to 99+/AQs.

Is V1 coming along 'for sure' if you shove? (doubtfull, even tilted players know when to get out PF) Is V2 calling all shoves if V1 folds out? If you think V2 can fold out even 25% of his range here then I think its +EV to shove ... I might be pipe dreaming.

As a short stack you want to get in for $25 or less and hit some Flops you can shove into. This is not the case here IMO. You are either shoving or folding ... calling just seals your 'fate' to go find a 1-2 table with $125.

This all comes down to whether you are ready to leave or not. I could go either way, but would probably lean towards folding even with a bullet in my pocket. GL
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12-05-2014 , 03:41 PM
The "I have 40bb, I should shove" theory is slightly skewed. If V2's 3bet range is only AA, KK, or even AK, at best you are flipping. There is not enough dead money to justify shoving here. Don't play if you can't top off to at least 100bb.
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12-05-2014 , 05:26 PM
it only depends on V2 3b range. If V2 can have worse then it is an easy ship. If he can't have worse then its bad, because he is never folding to a minraise regardless of what he raised with. So if he 3b with TT, hes calling. Does he 3b with TT? does he 3b with AJs? No way for us to know.
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12-05-2014 , 07:03 PM
V2's 3 betting range should be wider than kk+ and ak because of the way v1 is playing. It would be different if the initial open came from a tag.

It didn't so we should be way ahead of v2s 3! Range. Sorry if you ran into top of v2s 3! Range.
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12-05-2014 , 07:11 PM
Obviously V2 had KK, sorry you lost OP.
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12-05-2014 , 07:14 PM
If you dont want to have so much variance, buy in for more. Shove and move on to the next hand.

You should be playing 1/2 for full rather than buying in 2/5 for min. I just recently told a friend of mine the same thing.
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12-05-2014 , 11:05 PM
ummm if Vil is truly tight then this is a fold. At best we are slightly ahead and flipping at worst we are 4-1 dog.
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12-05-2014 , 11:20 PM
If you only have one buyin this is a super easy fold vs villain's range.
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12-05-2014 , 11:49 PM
V is described as SOLID 'in heros perspective'. So all we can do is hope
That means what it should mean. Which doesnt give him an AK kk+ range,
Obv, Especially iso'ng vs super loose tilting asain villain.

Jam
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12-06-2014 , 01:00 AM
I'm going to be honest here. You are showing a lot of fish thinking in your OP. Some of the questions you need to ask yourself are:

1. Why are you going to the poker room with just $200?
2. Why did you decide to play the biggest game you could play with $200?

Good players don't go to the poker room if they don't have the money to play. They wait until they have built up enough for at least a couple of buy ins. If they are just goofing around, they play the smallest stakes possible. A lot of fish think, "everyone else sucks at poker so 1 buy in is enough" and "I need to impress my buddies by playing the biggest stakes that I can buy in for."

Your question is actually pretty trivial. If the villain can 3bet and call a 4bet with either AQ or JJ, you shove. If not, you fold.
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12-06-2014 , 07:06 PM
I'll ask you this:

Would you shove your 40bb with QQ here if you had BR for this game?
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