Hey guys, im new here and was hoping to get advice on a hand that I played last night at my local casino (Horseshoe in Southern Indiana). It was my 21st birthday and i went with some friends, Im not an experienced player because I dont play online mostly just home games with friends but i wanted to see how i measured up at 1-2 NL. As it turns out there was a WSOP circuit event or at least some sort of extended tournament going on that brought players from all over, so not long after sitting down I was pretty aware that I was outclassed.

Anyways, I bought in for 200$ and when it was about the 5th or 6th hand that i got and i looked down at pocket tens in middle position, i opened for 10$ and got called from a player behind (competent LAG, a bit drunk because I could smell it on him, stack about 1200$) and UTG (not much of a read, quiet, I figured he must be tight, stack about 400$). We saw a flop of Qs10cJs, and UTG raised 20$, I raised to 50$ and drunkLAG guy called as well as UTG. At this point I wasnt feeling good about my set because there were so many ways that I could be beat.

The turn was a meaningless 3h and UTG insta-ships. I put him on something like 89 or k9 and was about 80% sure he had me beat so I folded, but behind me drunkLAG guy calls.



My question is did i play this right and was it possible for me to get away from the set there? I went with my read and it turned out to be wrong, but still saved me money so I am happy with that. Or am i an uberfish? Thanks anyone for any advice.

Also if anyone cares I dropped to about 60$ before catching a few spots and getting back to even for the night where i immediately cashed out. Lucky me i guess.

Hi, welcome to the forum. You'll find this a great place to learn.

Just a few humble suggestions. The convention on 2+2 is to stop a hand history where you were at a decision point. Not posting results usually results in better responses because we're human, we read the spoilers. That tends to bias the advice.

As for for the hand, you don't have bottom set, you have middle set. It was a mistake to fold your set. While it worked out for you, congratulating yourself is results orientated thinking. Poker is difficult to master because there is so much negative reinforcement. You'll remember this hand for a long time. You'll quickly forget all the times you folded and never saw the player bluff you with a draw.

I suggest reading the FAQs at the top of the forum and to visit the FAQs at our sister forum at micro FR NLHE. Live and on-line differ, but most of the knowledge is instantly applicable to both locations. Since micro FR has been around far longer, there is a more information on poker there.

I encourage you to read the other threads and contribute. Much of my understand of poker was gained by posting what I thought on a hand history and getting corrected (OK, abused). Finally, take your time to figure who the good posters are. This is an entry level forum and there is some terrible advice given at times. I'll note that #posts =/ good advice.

FOLDING turn was poorly playing the hand. REsults matter none. OPs estimation of V1s range was off IMO, and this carried over into misplaying the hand.

Yes indeed, welcome to the forum! I hope that my advice is considered the "good" variety, I always leave my own play up for criticism and try to justify my logic in not only the topics of others, but my own, as well .

That said, I was in a very similar spot a few days ago, only I had top 2 with a re-draw.

I ended up shoving for the exact reason your post illustrates: I wanted to turn my hand into a bluff and fold out the non-nut hands that beat me. Upon reading your post, I feel better about my decision that night, as you folded your set to severe heat.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...-board-830801/

That said, I will base my opinion on your remaining stack size: You have $140 remaining into a pot of $320 with a set on a board in which a flush draw exists and only 3 to the straight exist. Due to the PFR, the possibility of K9 and 89 are lessened, QQ and AK would likely re-raise the pre-flop action, and in many situations, any set is good enough to take the pot down at this point.

Maybe you would need to think this over more if you were deeper, but as a person who is getting better than 2-to-1, I would insta-ship with any set. Not to mention the outs you have if the board pairs against the straight (of course, those outs help top 2 against you, but it is a Catch-22, since he would have 4 outs against you, but you have 10 outs vs. the straight).

Certainly looks like bottom set to me...

Technically, it is bottom set on the flop, but not on the turn.

For all intents and purposes, it is bottom set, as 33 is not calling the flop.

I think the confusion is the result of the flop not being posted in rank order >_<

Folding the turn is pretty bad if you only have 100bb and the villains are not established to be total nits. However in general a 'rundown' flop is indeed one of the few flops that you might be forced to fold a set, though you'd just about never do it on the flop unless there's some crazy action. Most times you'll still have odds to fill up as well as decent implied odds.

Also, IWSJ, just fyi it's 'intents and purposes'. Just me being a bit of a grammar nit, English major and all.

This. My bad. Doesn't change my advice.

I raise a little more on the flop like $70-$80 and call the turn looks like he is protecting his hands from draws

never fold this. raise bigger on the flop $75, get it in on a blank turn.

ya based on your post UTG would neither insta-ship the turn with a straight nor would he limp/call your pre-flop raise with K9 or 89 (he would probably raise AK pre as well). as such before reading your spoiler i had UTG's most likely range as QJ, maybe JT, maybe KQ with K of spades.

given this range for UTG, with the LAG player behind, and outs to the boat in the case of a made straight, i ship this every time. the LAG player's calling range pre and OTF is so wide, we rarely expect him to show up with the straight. you were lucky to make a good fold here IMO

also as others have said, with such a wet board i make the flop raise bigger