2/5 NL

Hero in UTG+2 with 33 ($1000)

UTG+1 ($800) makes it $20
Hero, CO and button call

Flop ($80):
KQ3ssx

UTG+1 leads for $40
Hero raises to $140
UTG+1 calls

Turn ($360):
2x

UTG+1 checks
Hero bets $265
UTG+1 calls

River ($890):
Qx

UTG+1 checks (edit)
Hero ???

I had just stacked the opponent in the prior hand and he seems slightly tilted. The board texture clearly favors him as the pre-flop aggressor, so when he calls flop and turn to sizable bets I guess there is some concern.

The river is interesting because it does help his range, but I would expect him to be far more aggressive with KQ, KK, or QQ on the flop and/or turn.

Having less than a pot size bet what's the best move on this river?

i assume he checked the river? If so, check behind. He's rarely calling with worse.

Otherwise fine.

Obvious all in

If he were a thinking player, AK calls 1/3-1/2 pot bets as Queen, x is much more unlikely now and flush draws missed. KJ can also get sticky. Missing value just to check in this spot.

LOL to AK bet/calling flop and then check/calling a 2 on turn. And then check/calling river? I mean, if he does bet/call flop and check/call turn, maybe he is the type to call river, so go for it, but I don't see the point.

How does V see H? That is a big part of the equation. There are people I would "slow play" KK or KQ or QQ and there are people I would snap fold AK on flop.

If I’m not mistaken, there’s $365 back and the pot is $890.

So definitely jamming.

You’re probably going to be beat here a decent percentage of the time, but not enough to x this one back vs a potentially tilted V at this SPR.

imo

Fold pre. Shove river AP. Disregard Javanewt, she's not always like this - she's just already drank her bottle of wine .

Sorry if this comes off as mean, but this is absolutely atrocious advice. You’re afraid he has one of 10 logical combos of hands that beat us (QQ, KK, KQ) so much that you’re willing to check behind a full house with like 40% of a pot sized bet behind and gobs of draws in our range that could’ve missed?

AA, AK, maybe a hand like KJ can all call. If the Q wasn’t a FD card on the flop, he will have all of those trip combos to call an all
In with. And given stack sizes, he’s way more likely to show up with these than a monster.

And calling AK is like the standard play on the turn, and you’re saying LOL to it. Maybe if villain always has it when he raises and bets the next street, or we have the As, we can fold. But are you legitimately only continuing on the turn with sets and top two as a default? Seems like an exploitable strategy.


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I'm just ripping it in.

I'm sorry, but, WHAT?? This is just not good advice.

You should be all in on river. Not even a question.

All the hands that beat us would have usually taken a different line to get here

Online player forum: find reasons to pile in our entire stack with a low equity bluff against a TAG preflop 3 bet range

Live forum: find an excuse to check 3’s full of queens behind on KQ3-2-Q against a tilted live player.


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Shove,am I missing something?

I fold pre

AP Politely place the rest of your stack over the betting line. No need to be rude about stacking V twice in a row.

If you somehow lose here its not only a cooler but one that V played very very odd.

You guys are right. For some reason, I thought we had more money left. I should have done paid closer attention. When OP wrote "less than a pot size" I'm thinking close to pot, not less than half pot!

We could have 10x pot left and it's still a value bet

Are you bet/folding then?

That'd be a really sick spot, but I doubt it. I've seen enough **** that I wouldn't be surprised to see someone thinking AQ is the nuts.

Mea culpa accepted.

As far as strategy, I guess it’s possible opponent can be sandbagging, and when he’s not, he has a very marginal made hand. So I think like half pot would be a correct bet size if we had a lot of chips left (like 3 stack to pot ratio at the river). Against a jam...it’s tough. I could find a fold to an OMC who will never show up with less than KQ when he rips it in.


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Has everyone turned into Jennifer Tilly (thinking about the FH vs. Antonius)??

If we're not betting a FH on a fairly DRY board (unless that definition has changed over the years...I thought it mean a board where there were straights/flushes and fh's - or at least two of the three), what are we betting and why would any decent player ever call us in the future?

LOL. Did you actually read the thread?

I’d be calling literally every bluff catcher in my range if I knew someone wasn’t betting 33 on this board



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Sorry, I'm confused.

You're saying that if a player checks bottom FH, and later bets in a similar situation, you're not running for the hills?

Clearly we have different experience with nits and cowards!

It’s pretty simple. If he isn’t betting the top of his range, his bets are heavily weighted towards bluffs. It’s actually a thing that a lot of “loose passive” players overbluff river because they don’t bet their value hands.


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I learned that one from Bart Hanson