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01-07-2019 , 08:43 AM
1/2 holdem, 9max. 1050$ eff stack.
Hero opens 15$ 8c8s UTG, only BB calls. BB late 20's indian/english guy in a suit, joined 30minutes ago, buy in for 2k, haven't played much. looks like nitty rec player.
Flop QdJs8h, pot 31. BB leads 20, I call(Let me know if you like raising here, given the stack sizes and the fact that opponent has all 16 nuts combos, and overset sometimes)
Turn 5s, pot 71. BB bet 50, I call.(Similar thoughts about raising)
River 6d, pot 171. BB bets 300. Now I'm consider folding, It's very unlikely this type of a player will have bluffs with such a bet. Only beating QJ, and sometimes weirdly played overpair(while he must have all sets in this case, along with the nuts). What do you think?
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01-07-2019 , 09:39 AM
Hard to put a brand new player on a range here. Flop donks are for fish, but most people wouldn’t do it if the flopped nuts. AQ possible.. doubt he has a set or T9 but who knows. Most people would’ve 3bet preflop with all other sets and overpairs.

Raising is an option, I’d probably prefer it if there was a FD on the board but when the board is rainbow, I could go either way.

You are near the top of your range so it’s probably still a call otr. Could fold if you actually knew he was nitty but I think it’s too early to tell.
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01-07-2019 , 10:12 AM
Dude is betting pretty 2/3psb OTF/OTT, calling is ok. Let's him keep his bluffs in and realistically, we're not losing much value because you probably wouldn't be betting much bigger (if you even would bet bigger, non zero chance he's betting more than you would)

OTR, the whole hand feels like AA/KK, maybe AQ. Live players are funny and terrible. They get married to hands that really aren't very good relative to the board because "i hazzz ......"; we basically have the 4th nuts (discounting possibility of 97 and 74 based on flop/turn play), I'm not thrilled about calling but I doubt I'm folding here much
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01-07-2019 , 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by johnny_on_the_spot
Dude is betting pretty 2/3psb OTF/OTT, calling is ok. Let's him keep his bluffs in and realistically, we're not losing much value because you probably wouldn't be betting much bigger (if you even would bet bigger, non zero chance he's betting more than you would)

OTR, the whole hand feels like AA/KK, maybe AQ. Live players are funny and terrible. They get married to hands that really aren't very good relative to the board because "i hazzz ......"; we basically have the 4th nuts (discounting possibility of 97 and 74 based on flop/turn play), I'm not thrilled about calling but I doubt I'm folding here much
Why arent you thrilled about calling if you think he mostly has AA/KK/AQ? You should be considering a min raise/fold this deep. As played, personally Id just call the river, but I wouldve raised the turn
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01-07-2019 , 11:07 AM
I like calling flop and turn, and now I call river. Don't fold sets to weird lines.
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01-07-2019 , 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
Why arent you thrilled about calling if you think he mostly has AA/KK/AQ? You should be considering a min raise/fold this deep. As played, personally Id just call the river, but I wouldve raised the turn
idk. i guess just because the guy is new and trying to blow us away, just because i think it feels like AA/KK/AQ doesn't mean it really is. i'd be happier if the guy 3! pre because then we really could limit him to like 70+% of the time he has 1 pair.

i dont think raising is bad ott. maybe its a spot i miss value from. idk. but the counterpoint to this is that the guy overbet the river. is our turn raise and river bet >= his turn bet and river bet. its not really something we would know this early in a session, but after seeing this hand and if he shows up with a marginal holding i'd be more inclined in the future to be passive and let him barrel off river over bets until he shows he's not going to do it.
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01-07-2019 , 11:41 AM
Calling as played, and I think about a raise on the turn
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01-07-2019 , 11:56 AM
Lol @$2k buy in for $1/2 game. River bet is still small relative to stacks. I wouldn’t hate a raise OTR but that’s stack committing at $1,050 effective. Probably just flat in game and kick myself in the balls for not raising turn or river.
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01-07-2019 , 12:01 PM
I raise flop here for value vs his leading range ;

AP , I think this is a snap call given the way you played the hand; it's a big bet but beautiful runout for your hand; He's not putting you on sets here, he could be value betting a worse hand
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01-07-2019 , 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by twitcherroo
Lol @$2k buy in for $1/2 game. River bet is still small relative to stacks. I wouldn’t hate a raise OTR but that’s stack committing at $1,050 effective. Probably just flat in game and kick myself in the balls for not raising turn or river.
lol right? what 1/2 game lets you buy in for 2k? unless he moved from broken game? idk
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01-07-2019 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by tmo1120
lol right? what 1/2 game lets you buy in for 2k? unless he moved from broken game? idk
I think Golden Nugget is still uncapped 1/2 game.
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01-07-2019 , 06:58 PM
Why do people love to fold sets? It baffles me. Definitely putting in a raise somewhere before the river hoping to GII on all but the worst runouts (this is not one of them). Expecting QJ a lot here.
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01-07-2019 , 07:59 PM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
Why do people love to fold sets? It baffles me. Definitely putting in a raise somewhere before the river hoping to GII on all but the worst runouts (this is not one of them). Expecting QJ a lot here.
We arent really looking to get it all in for 500+BBs with bottom set unless the guy sucks beyond belief.
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01-07-2019 , 08:03 PM
Think hand is fine ap and id call river
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01-07-2019 , 08:38 PM
I'm not saying we should be looking to get 500+ bb in with bottom set, but I would have put a raise in at some point before the river.

AP, I'd call it off. 109s combos and QQ/JJ are possible, but so are 2p combos. Plus with V being the only caller closing the action from the BB, I think AA/KK is at least possible too. If there was ever a time for the "You're so under-repped bro!" comment, this would definitely be it with you taking a call/call line with a set. I don't think your hand is bulletproof, but I'm certainly making the call.
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01-08-2019 , 01:13 AM
Thanks for responses guys.
I felt like raising the turn will bring an awful spot if he reraises or calls turn and check-raises river, where I'll won't know if unknown (tight?) rec is overplaying QJ or KK+. Also we can make a big mistake here ether way by folding nutted hand after investing a lot, or stacking off 500bb in SRP with bottom set.
Hand was played in uk, they allow uncapped buy in in that game
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01-08-2019 , 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by mdelore
I like calling flop and turn, and now I call river. Don't fold sets to weird lines.
this. not folding
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01-08-2019 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
We arent really looking to get it all in for 500+BBs with bottom set unless the guy sucks beyond belief.
I can see a tight fold if we are jammed on if we raised flop or turn, but we have the effective second nuts on this board. V should not have JJ or QQ, so we're only concerned about T9s - four combos. I think a raise at some point is rather obvious. If we are only raising the nuts, we're playing too tight and are missing value.

Also, when you just called every street, it's nearly impossible for V to put you on a hand as strong as the one you have and absolutely could be betting worse. River is a must call.

Care to share results?
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01-08-2019 , 05:27 PM
Definitely raising flop or turn. River is probably just a call, he can still have QQ/JJ/T9 very easily and you're not getting called by worse on the river unless he has exactly QJ and decides to call it off, which might still be a stretch cuz even dummies know when an overbet gets raised on the river that the other person has the nuts. I'm not folding though, sometimes you just gotta pay them off if they got it.
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01-09-2019 , 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by DumbosTrunk
I can see a tight fold if we are jammed on if we raised flop or turn, but we have the effective second nuts on this board. V should not have JJ or QQ, so we're only concerned about T9s - four combos. I think a raise at some point is rather obvious. If we are only raising the nuts, we're playing too tight and are missing value.

Also, when you just called every street, it's nearly impossible for V to put you on a hand as strong as the one you have and absolutely could be betting worse. River is a must call.

Care to share results?
Call river, villain show JJ.
Also I think he calls T9o from BB, so it's 16 combos.
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