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11-06-2016 , 03:43 PM
3/5. Hero has been running like god. Both making hands and getting max value. Doesn't hurt that the table is pretty soft and overpairs are paying off flopped sets and such. I have also shown down some bluffs and hands that I raised preflop that were some typical raising hands. Image is probably somewhat laggy.

V is weak/loose who hangs on with any piece irrrespective of the action. His most notable hand he called a huge check raise all in from another player with a J high flush draw on a paired board and hit his card on the river (which inexplicably was good). He also shows a complete unwillingness to fold top top and will play it fast regardless of board texture or action. V has about 750 and I have him covered.

V is UTG+1 and raises to 20. A weak tight player calls in between and I am two off the button with 10 10 I raise to 85 to get it heads up. V is never folding. V calls and the other player folds.

Flop: ($175): 10 J K

V checks. I bet $145. V shoves for about $500 more. Hero?
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11-06-2016 , 04:14 PM
The pot is about $950 and it's $500 more to call. It's impossible to find a fold here, especially against this type of Villain who has a wider range. KJ, AK, KcQc, etc are all well within his range. Even if we are up against a straight, we have plenty of outs with two cards to go.

Snap call.
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11-06-2016 , 04:58 PM
Read is villain plays a hand like top pair fast, he is playing this hand fast, we have a set in a 3bet pot, effective stacks are like ~150bb, snap.

I find myself saying this a lot, why not put this guy on a range and see where you are at? I haven't done it with this hand but I can't imagine a reasonable range that folds here.
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11-06-2016 , 09:10 PM
call
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11-06-2016 , 09:28 PM
Call
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11-06-2016 , 09:49 PM
[QUOTE=[B]art_vandelay[/B];51119789]

^awesome btw. Architect, obv.
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11-06-2016 , 10:05 PM
Is this a rhetorical question
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11-06-2016 , 10:10 PM
I'm not sure I fold, but I'm not loving life calling.

You didn't say anything about V's UTG open range. If it includes KJ, KQ, maybe more comfortable calling. If its TT+, AJ+ type hands, then we are either dead already (JJ), barely ahead (AKc), or behind and drawing (AQ). The only hand he plays this way that we really like is AKo. Given you say he plays made hands fast and seems to call drawing hands, I like our spot even less.

After thinking about it while typing, and seeing it's a c/r all in, I can't find fault w/ a fold here. Even as described V, this sounds like a better hand than AKo.
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11-06-2016 , 10:21 PM
Easy call.
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11-06-2016 , 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by donkatruck
I'm not sure I fold, but I'm not loving life calling.

You didn't say anything about V's UTG open range. If it includes KJ, KQ, maybe more comfortable calling. If its TT+, AJ+ type hands, then we are either dead already (JJ), barely ahead (AKc), or behind and drawing (AQ). The only hand he plays this way that we really like is AKo. Given you say he plays made hands fast and seems to call drawing hands, I like our spot even less.

After thinking about it while typing, and seeing it's a c/r all in, I can't find fault w/ a fold here. Even as described V, this sounds like a better hand than AKo.
You are seeing too many monsters under the bed. Against this.villian, we have to call. Folding simply becomes too large of a mistake due to his weighted range.

You should check out his range, play with it.
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11-06-2016 , 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by donkatruck
After thinking about it while typing, and seeing it's a c/r all in, I can't find fault w/ a fold here. Even as described V, this sounds like a better hand than AKo.
I make it $965 in and $500 to call, so we need 34%. If we only like AK and we give him all the better hands as well, we have 46%. This is a snap call.

http://www.pokerstrategy.com
Board: KdJcTc
Equity Win Tie
MP2 45.99% 45.29% 0.70% { TdTs }
MP3 54.01% 53.31% 0.70% { KK, JJ, AQs+, AQo+ }

That was 12 combos of AK, if we give him 6 combos only and 3 of those with the Ac, we still have 37.91%:

http://www.pokerstrategy.com
Board: KdJcTc
Equity Win Tie
MP2 37.91% 37.20% 0.71% { TdTs }
MP3 62.09% 61.37% 0.71% { KK, JJ, AQs+, AQo, AdKc, AhKc, AsKc }

Note this ignores the fact that villain as described can show up with various combos of KQ/KJ/KT here. In reality this is a fat value spot.
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11-06-2016 , 11:06 PM
Thanks all. This was a line check. I tank called and MIHG. V didn't show. I took a lot of crap from a couple of regs I know at the table for tanking. In spots like these and villains like this I always get a little spooked when they are betting as opposed to calling. But seeing the equity numbers make it clear this is a call regardless of the board.
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11-07-2016 , 12:28 AM
Against stations who play toptop fast, getting spooked with top pair is understandable, with set you should be drooling a bit
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11-07-2016 , 01:30 PM
hate the 3! pre. in a cash game, TT is pretty much always a bluff catcher unless you spike a set. if someone 4! you pre, have a to lay it down without even getting a chance to see the flop.

as played, the only thing that are really scared of is a bigger set. Even against AQclub club, you are getting almost the right price to try to fill up.

against all of V's one and two pair hands, you are crushing.

unless you know he has a set, this is a call.
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11-07-2016 , 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by PFunkaliscious
hate the 3! pre. in a cash game, TT is pretty much always a bluff catcher unless you spike a set. if someone 4! you pre, have a to lay it down without even getting a chance to see the flop.
In the typical situation I agree completely and I usually flat tens in this spot. But in this particular situation there was a lot of value to raising to get it heads up with this particular villain.
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