Villain and I both have about 700. He is late 40s or early 50s white guy and he's really tight and maybe you could say he is weak-tight. We have been playing for two or three hours. I'm mid 30s and probably seen as solid. I haven't done anything crazy and have won a bit.

I make it 20 UTG with AA. The guy right after me calls. Villain is 3rd to act and he 3bets to 65. Everyone folds back to me and I 4bet to 150. The guy in between drops and villain calls.

Flop is 663 rainbow. I check and he checks. My thinking was that he was likely to fold an overpair and was more likely to bet it, and if he checks behind, that is not a terrible result.

Turn is a King. I check call 200.

River bricks and I check.

What say you? Did I misplay every street?

What over pairs is he calling a 4bet with but folding that flop? I'm betting small on that flop, maybe $120.

As played I think ck/call turn and ck/ call river is fine.

Based on your description and your read, you're going to lose to KK and should fold turn. The question is, how sure are you of your read?

I'd go closer to pot pre, like 195. Flop is an obvious bet. 1/4-1/3 pot is nice.

4b pre to $190ish. Bet the best flop in the world. I'd c/s turn or open shove river. I'm not letting V check back AK cuz he thinks you have KK/AA, and V probably isn't folding AK or betting QQ/JJ anyway. If he has KK give him the money.

Bet this flop. If Villain called pre with an overpair he's certainly going to call a flop bet here and you can get stacks in on turn.

As played, checking turn is ok. We might be able to get value from JJ or QQ on the river if he checks back. Check call is ok, on turn. Lead river intending to call a raise. If he has KK pay him, but I definitely don't want to let him off the hook with AK.

Why 195? Coming from online, 4bet to 2.5 is std. is live ok to go bigger?


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C-bet the flop something like 120.
Turn is pretty bad for you because you're hoping he has another PP, right? So on that turn is hard for PPs that you beat to continue - only KK continue here IMO. Given that you checked the flop he could still have AK that he could continue with so it's close.
I prefer the bet fold line here because if you get raised you know he has KK and you can fold.
But if you check call you never know where you are.

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He may not raise the turn with kings full. Probably wouldn't.

Must cbet on this flop


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That's why I said "if you get raised" if you don't it's the same thing anyway.

4 betting and being called by a rock with aa..... This is the dream, he has a big pair tt+ minimum or ak.....we find a flop he must love with any of his pairs.... Bet, bet, bet, we want to gii here almost always.... If he has kk, it sucks to be us, but if your not going three streets in this spot your a losing massive long term value.

Have you ever thought about why your standard is 2.5 online?

Balance, which I'm assuming you'll say we don't need at this stake?


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The flop/turn check so undervalued our hand we really can't range him to KK, which unfortunately based on V description is his most likely hand. I get the rationale on checking the flop, but we are either getting value from AK/QQ-KK or we are not. Cbet flop $120 as somebody else has said. B/f turn or even check back turn. If v is as described he's checking back AK/QQ anyway.

I was out of position so can't check back on turn.

I'd just go 100/165/AI, to get stacks in by the river evenly over three streets on a flop like this. He's not likely to fold smaller pairs to one bet. What was he doing pre-flop, then? Set-mining? Some people will spew pretty hard when you bet less than you did on a previous street (that's not why I suggest this bet-sizing, just an added benefit)

Grunching ...

As played, call turn, call river. A few reasons - 1) Opponent 3-bet sizing is on the small side; 2) Hero strength is disguised; 3) More combos of AK than KK.

4-bet sizing should be larger in order to get stacks in on the flop. Perfect flop to bet since a big over pair is not folding. Ideal inelastic spot to size large.

Results: He checked behind on the end with AK. Guess I was just fearing monsters under the bed.

I'll bet V has a sizing tell and goes $75+ with KK and smaller with AK like here. Most people do. Way too MUBSy to not get it in on turn or river.

More pre. Bet flop. Bet turn. Shove river. Collect monies.

This especially more pre

Thats part of it, but online is usually 100 bb deep and people use standard 2.5-3x opens and the 4 bet can be easily balanced with ax and kx suited hands as bluffs. In live poker you are usually playing much deeper,in this case 140 bb deep. So you can make the 4 bet bigger to both discourage people from set mining and set up for a shove by the turn or river much easier. Also from a macro perspective people tend to call both post and pre far too much in live poker, so the answer is to punish them when you have favorable spots with super premiums. To do this you should tighten up your 4 bet range and tilt it heavily towards value, while making your sizing larger.

Adam addressed this well. The reasons we might go 2.5 online don't apply here or in typical low stakes lineups

Thank you


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