1/3 Encore late night...deep stacks.

Villain 1: OTB - Youngish Asian Male, just sat down with $300. No reads.
Villain 2: MP - Older White Woman with indeterminate non-American accent. Quite passive. Limp/folds a lot. Haven't seen her play a meaningful pot in the hour or two she's been at the table. ~$430
Villain 3: HJ - White Male, 30ish, relatively new to the table. Seems snug. Haven't seen him play a hand, really. He moved over from another table with ~$600. No real reads.
Hero: CU - Started the night losing a buy-in ($500) on a couple of coolers. Rebought and has built stack up to ~$950. I've been showing down good hands to rebuild my stack. Haven't been caught getting out of line.

Table has been rather tight for a 1/3 game and I had been thinking about calling it a night. And then this hand happens...

Villain 2 and 3 limp. I raise to $18 with 76 (I had been picking up lots of limped pots like this, raising in position, usually just taking it down right there, sometimes C-betting and taking it down there. Again, I haven't yet shown a "speculative" open like this yet.)

Villain 1 calls. Villains 2 and 3 also call.

FLOP: ($75)

KT7

Checked to me and I bet $45. (Too optimistic against thee others? I mean, I''ve got a pair and a FD...)

All three players call.

Turn: ($255)

2

Checked to me.

Now what? I've inadvertently built up a huge pot...do I bet? Check? Is over-shoving an option? What ranges can we put villains on since we really don't have much history with them? HELP!

I think you can justify limping in as well with a 76 suited in position. Other than that I don't really like raising this hand against the villains you are describing. I like the bet and the sizing on the flop obviously we get called by a king or a 10 sometimes and we have enough equity with the flush draw and pair to be good here a lot of the time. I probably check the turn and take the free card on the river. If we don't get a 7 6 or diamond I fold any river bet size from these passive villains.

Flop bet totally fine. Hand will get messy regardless of the way we play turn and/or river.

With your image and table dynamic most of the time i wil bet turn 50-60% and bomb any safe river; anything that doesnt complete straight/flush and paint cards. If the flush hits i will probably bet small/ fold to raise or re-evaluate if flush hits and someone bets.

I find myself here a lot too. This is my take on the 3 options.

Bet.... Considering the 2 changes nothing, almost all Kx and FD will call any bet on the turn. HERO may be able to fold out some Tx, 7x, and gut shots.

Check.... Hero does have showdown value but is likely currently behind. Considering the size of the pot, if HERO makes his hand, he are more likely to get looked up by the smaller stacks if they have Kx, Tx, or make a STR8 when we improve to flush/2pair/trips.

Overbet..... I think this would appear fairly face up but Rec players do this a lot with top pair when they don't want to endure a bad beat. It is hard to say how 3 unknowns will react to this.


Considering these, I would rate the following
Good - Overbet
Better - Check
Best - Bet

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I'd bet more each street. As played gotta check 4 handed.

Prolly a good spot to shove but haven't put much thought into it. No one can call or should have a hand that can call.

Villain 1's stack is less than 1 SPR...Villain 2's is less than 2. What are they folding? Middling Kings and worse?

Shove is pretty sexy, Representing extreme strength. The most likely V to call you has to worry about 2 others behind and probably won't call. Win this pot and go home.

Raise smaller pre. Betting flop is ok but I would have preferred larger sizing. Your bet here just looks like a standard cbet and can get called by all sorts of made hands we would rather fold. I do think checking flop is probably best though as our hand (on this board) plays great HU but not so great multiway deep (and we can't expect anyone that has a piece of this to fold to a single bet).

Readless, the turn is a check. Our equity has gone down significantly and we are likely to be drawing close to dead if we get called in multiple spots. If you had a read that players would fold top pair but call with draws then you can bomb the turn. Making a standard sized bet on this turn would be pretty bad.

I actually think your sizing has been too big pre and otf. If you'd raised to 9 and cbet 15, then this could be a good play for FE w a bomb and a big bet behind.

As played, FE should be pretty low vs any K and you're 4way so someone really should have a K or 2pair+ (though LolLive Poker yo). So as played, check for free card. Earlier bet sizing mooting a great turn play (also this is why I like to play deeper).


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I don't know if I would have it in me to do this in-game, but boy does shoving look sexy on paper here.

You knock out Kx, you knock out higher FD that could RIO the $#*^ out of you if you check behind the turn. I think you get called by exactly KT/T7/sets, which are not many combos to begin with, and even then you have good equity to bink the river.


Edit: I suppose 98dd and QJdd could call too. But we're in okay shape against those as well.

Hand/sizing is fine

It would be really hard for me to not stuff this. If HJ had $300 I would definitely stuff. It's awesome we have the 7 bc we block the only likely set combo, and we either have the best hand or the best draw vs any hands that gii with us, should that happen.

I wouldve played this hand exactly like you did. Same raise preflop and same bet on the flop. Now check behind on the turn. If you dont check behind on the turn, you should not be raising this preflop. Betting turn would be a lot better if this was a limped pot.

As played, you will rarely get all 3 guys to fold this on the turn....but you will win a huge pot if you take the free card and hit the river.

Just took The Big Book of Good Hold'Em Spots off the shelf and turned to the page titled "Overbet Bluffing in 4-Handed Pots with Weak Two-Way Hands." It was blank!

Mike and I saying ideas based on similar poker logic.

I feel like we probably are experienced differently by villains but think similarly.


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Flop sizing needs to be a lot bigger or check. This is a super wet board which makes a c-bet unlikely to get through usually, so it makes sense for us to check a lot of hands here and bet infrequently for a larger size. If we were betting, it makes sense that we would bet bigger with any value hand to charge draws or pairs as we realize we would frequently be called. So I'm not sure what the $45 bet achieves or what it implies about your range here (do you go this sizing with good hands or are you just trying to get a cheap price with mediocre ones?)

AP checking seems to really suck which makes shoving seem a lot sexier than it really is imo. I don't think the probability of all 3 folding is nearly as high as it needs to be for this to be a good play, so I would still just check.

What sucks 4 handed on flop is not being BTN, so checking seems right on the edge of best. If I bet, it's bigger, but not loving when BTN calls, puts us in awkward situations on turns if this goes heads up.

As played on turn, too tough to get folds after everyone calls on an offsuit 2. For that reason, I check. If I thought I had enough fold equity, I'd be shoving.

On tight tables with a couple of tight limp/folders and tight blinds, I'm cool with the preflop attempt (although I would typically raise more, but table dependent).

On the flop so long as we're not dominated in our draw we should have decent equity. If no one has a K in this fit/fold lineup, a bet could take it down. I think a bet here is somewhere in the semi-bluff / value range and is fine (I would perhaps have gone just slightly smaller but whatever). Will also set us up for taking a free card on the turn lots.

Weird spot on the turn with this much action. It seems unlikely anyone has a set due to many of these sets would raise/reraise preflop or raise the flop. Even a two pair hand like KT would probably raise this flop. My best guess is that a couple are on draws (OESD, flush draw) and at least one person has TP. Typically I would probably give up here and check back and take my free card. But my guess is that a lotta people fold TP and their draws here, plus my free card might be fairly useless (although a free draw to a 7 is probably ok, but all other outs could easily be dirty), so I'm thinking a big bet might be better. Interesting spot. I probably lean towards a check back but I could be convinced otherwise.

ETA: I'm a lot cooler with the flop bet sizing (or even smaller) than most others, due to the fact that I don't believe that any reasonable sizing has any affect on what people call vs fold here with. If someone has a K, they are calling. If someone has a T/smallpair, they are calling/folding whatever bet depending on their tendencies (not the bet size), and given this is a tight table it looks like these guys are fit/foldy. So let's just try to steal for as cheap as possible, and otherwise it can be considered a very thin value bet due to our outs. I'm also thinking a turn shove here (at least ~PSB ones) is kinda sexy due to I just can't see very many monsters given the way this hand was played, but I'm not sure I can bring myself to do it.

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Everyone else is capped at Kx being the best hand. If people are calling off 100bb shoves with KJ here then just reload you'll get it back.

Lol love the responses, thanks!

Results:


V2 turned over AJ for the royal draw!

I take the side pot of $175 from V2.

V3 said he had QJ. Why didn't he call???

I lost a little in the pot...coulda been worse lol!

Lol love the responses, thanks!

Results:

+1. Checking with three players left means you almost always need to bink a 7 or 6 to win. Shoving gets a lot of better hands to fold.

Kind of an ugly spot in general because someone almost always has a better flush draw and a better pair.

lmao at V1. You'll get money back from him eventually like that, no worries. V2's overcall might even be correct once V1 called, haven't run the maths.

Looks like V2 is being asked to call $367 to win $859, so 2.3:1. If he assumes 12 outs (which is optimistic), he needs about 3:1 to make the call, so unless he can be assured V3 is calling behind him (which might also indicate some of his outs are dead), it's a bad call.

Looks like V3 is being asked to call $537 to win $1226, so 2.3:1. If he assumes 6 outs (pretty reasonable assumption his diamond outs are no good) then he needs about 7:1, so a trivial fold for him.

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