1/3 NL

H has been at the table maybe an hour. I 4 bet earlier with QQ and folded to a 5 bet. Didn't show. Pots I have raised have completely missed me and I am now down to 250 from my original 400 buy in. I think I have a tight image. I am playing less hands than everyone else. Not talking much. Most of the chips have been lost to bet folds.

V1- White male, seems like a solid player. Doesn't seem like a complete fish. Seen him think through hands and fold and think through hands and raise. Only been here an hour so not a huge read. (700)

V2- Older asian guy. Short stack maybe 150. All over the map. Gets married to hands, was at my previous table. Will def call light.

V1 UTG plus 1 makes it 10, V2 calls, V3 calls.

Hero on the Button with 1010 raises to 40.

I think this might have been too small. I think I should have made it 50-60...

V1 calls, V2 calls V3 calls

Flop KK4 Pot~ 164

V1 leads for 20, V2 calls, V3 folds.

Hero Shoves for remainder of stack 210

My thinking here is that V1 is leading here with 99-QQ A draw, or a weak K. I think K-J or better is check calling. V2 i am sure is on a flush draw.

Given that I haven't played a ton of pots, and have folded to raises, I think a shove here takes it down. Normally I have found that bluffing paired boards is a recipe for disaster but this seems like a good spot.

All advice is appreciated

I find that most V's tend to be non-believers on paired boards, so I rarely bluff them.

I don't mind a raise of that silly small donk, but I see no reason for it to be AI, which will only get called by hands that beat you. I understand that you are getting frustrated with folding to raises, but making a raise (and a fold) impossible is not the way to deal with it.

Forget a tight image. What you have is a losing image and an image of someone who doesn't have it when he bets/raises. A bad time to bluff.

Ok, but I haven't bluffed or played many hands. I also 3 bet pre and it's a very weak play. Plus the pot is already just about the size of my stack. I feel like any significant raise commits me anyway.

What do you think is the correct size? I mean a 20 dollar bet and call into a 120 pot was just screaming for me to steal. I also think I can push V1 off a weak K, not V2, who I am giving NO credit to for a K. He's on a draw for sure!

What did V1 have OP?

Did you at all consider the possibility that the weak lead on the flop was a trap intended to induce a raise?

Geez I hate this hand.

Pf is fine. The 10 from utg is never jj-aa. Probably more around sc's, Kqo and such. Probably not even low pp's because generally they limp and hope to see a flop/low raise to call to set mine. I'd probably make it 45.

After the v donk bet, it just screams low pp trying to protect his hand that he thinks is best.
V2 could be on overs or face cards hoping to hit and other pp's/fd, so we have the best hand almost all the time here I think.

Any face/a card besides the k here is scary, and with 12/47 left, I can raise this flop bet here but not shoving because only thing that is calling a shove is hands that beat you or small pp's who think you whiffed which is unlikely. I'm raising to 120 to hopefully get two to three v's out then calling any turn bet because folding here when the spr in this hand was like 1.3 is not good even four way.

"But raising to 120 leaves you 90 dollars? Why not just shove?" Like I said. Because the only hands that are calling a shove is hands that beat you and low pp's which highly unlikely aren't coming along unless they think you whiffed. Even how this action has played out, we more than likely still have the best hand here and we don't mind keeping one v in for the turn then shoving.

3 betting bloats this pot so that there is almost no way to get your chips in post flop against a weaker hand. All you can do is invent some slim ev shove line that probably isn't really ev.

Call preflop, play a hand in position.

In this hand villains action on the turn would tell the whole story

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On the contrary, you shouldn't be 3 betting TT to a small UTG+1 raise at all, let alone from someone who seems solid. I'm happy to see a flop getting good IO with position. His raise size polarizes his hand to either monsters (which I want to set mine against) or weak hands (which I want to remain in).

The shove is complete spew. The value part of your range is AK or KK. It makes no sense for you to shove those. Any better hand is going to call. Maybe you can get JJ to fold. You lose value by making the FD fold instead of calling.

Finally, playing tight image is overrated in all levels of poker, not just LLSNL. The only thing people are paying attention to is whether you're winning or not. If you're not, they'll call. They'll call pf even if they are massively behind, because they "know" they'll suck out on you. Phil Ivey even quits if he's running bad after an hour or two because his image has been ruined for the night. At LLSNL, I've have people accuse me of only playing AA, then when I raise have 5 people call anyway. It doesn't matter.

Grunch...

You have TT on a KK4 board... why in the world are you bluffing? Trying to get someone to fold better than what you have right now seems ill advised to say the very least.

OK I think the advice of just calling pre is good advice.

I did think of it maybe being a trapped, but just didn't get that feel. Also with 3 people in the hand he has to have a really good K here. I think a k-9 or worse folds.

People keep saying I'll get a draw to fold, but I dont think so. I think the short stack is on a draw, with the pot size the way it is, HE is who I want to call the bet.

I want to make V1 fold and am OK with V2 calling with his draw.

If they check, I prob check. If he bet more I would prob fold. Most Vs are not playing around with trips on a flush draw. Most of the time I see protection bets, not some weak ass 20 dollars into a 160 pot. I mean it so looks like a blocker bet.

Anything to make of the $10 open (which is quite small for a 1/3 NL table)? With our medium stack and all this dead money, I think I'm also 3betting. I probably make it a little more preflop, but I don't think $40 is horrible or anything.

Tough spot on the flop with all these callers, imo. First off, our image is pretty FOS as we've done a lot of raising and cbetting but then folding, so I'm not sure anyone is going to fold anything better. Second, no one is ever folding a K here anyways, although it's *possible* we might get a hand like JJ to fold. Weird bet size by V1. It's not impossible for V2 to have a K. But we only have a PSB remaining at this point, so perhaps we do feel committed at this point (as there is still a reasonable chance we have the best hand). I don't hate a shove (if someone put in 16%+ of their stack preflop and outdrew us, nice hand). But ss there any merit to calling and just seeing what happens on the turn, where I'm guessing everyone will play fairly honestly in a 3way pot, and perhaps we can make our shove decision then?

ETA: FWIW, I don't consider a shove a bluff here at all and consider it for straight up value as we can get called by worse. V2 seems like the type to easily call off his remaining stack with a draw or a smaller pair. I don't mind how the hand was played at all.

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I haven't raise folded a ton of hands. I would say I've been there for 90 minutes and this has happened 3 times. Of course maybe that is enough to leave an image. Ive folded almost every other hand.

I just got the feel my image wasn't FOS. But honestly, i think i tend to give off a FOS image just by sitting down, so maybe so.