1/3 live.

Sunday night game. Main villain ($700) is in the BB. We have been playing for around 45 minutes. He’s a late 20’s European male who bought in for the max ($500)He has been playing a few hands aggressively but I’ve only see one go to showdown. He straddled the button, a few people limped, he made it $30, someone limp jammed for $90, he called with QJdd.

Hero covers.

3 limps, hero opens KdKh to $21 in the HJ, BB cold calls and two limpers call.

Pot: 81

Flop Jc6c6d.

Hero continues for $50, Bb calls and the rest fold.

Pot:$181.

Turn Ac.

Xx.

River 2h.

Villain bets $115. Hero?

Im game my intitial thought process against a younger and potentially more agro/balanced villain would be to call here with QQ/KK with a club and fold the combos without a club. Because the third club was an ace though, maybe I should be calling all combos of KK/QQ?

Tough spot but I probably call. I think you have to work in some calls here every now and then. Too easy for V to bluff and win if we are folding KK.

All you beat is a bluff so unless you think he is just reverse floating hoping to rep a flush or 6x i think this is a pretty easy fold. This is live-read territory.

I like the line up to the river. Flop bet sizing I'd go a little smaller, probably between $30-40. This allows you to have cheaper cbets with overcards, bluffs, etc. as well.

River I am probably calling.

This seems like such an easy fold. So he supposedly called your cbet (into 3 opponents) with the 2 limpers behind with like QTo or 77, just to bluff when the club comes? Please.

If we are not folding, I'd rather jam over his river bet to rep AA/JJ and at least fold out AJ, 6x and maaaaybe some bad flushes.

But seriously, easy fold. Start considering calling with like AxKc.

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I was originally going to say I think you need to bet the turn to rep A, but after a moment contemplation I don't really know what that accomplishes. You'll just fold out anything you're currently beating, so I think the X is fine.

Is he really capable of turning a lone J into a bluff? That's literally all you beat: Air or a J turned into a bluff (which seems unlikely).

I guess i'm sigh folding.

Seriously, I am going to make this my personal mission. Just give me the "LLSNL terminology nit" undertitle now.

This seems like an easy fold, people don't float J66 boards with random hands not containing an ace and they don't bet the river with just a jack. That leaves hands that beat you.

Makes me crazy too.

Bet turn small or check. AP fold.

You guys must go on monkey tilt when someone says they had a set of 8’s with A8 on a 882 board

As for the hand, maybe some kind of live read set off my spidey sense which is why I wanted to at least call KK/QQ with a club. Hero folds and villain shows red 87, I think it was 87dd but I’m not sure.

I still think folding was probably correct, I don’t see too many bluffs in these spots, but thought it was worth asking about.

Since I hate the preflop result, and it's likely fairly expected, I would probably lean to an overlimp to reraise the aggro BB.

I'm ok with the flop bet although against tricky/aware opponents I'd be ok with checking.

Also checking back the turn.

He called the flop with 2 others to act behind him, so he couldn't have been getting too out of line. The only flop draw got there. He's really value betting worse (i.e. Jx) for a decent amount? I probably sigh fold even though he can be aggro.

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I don’t think it’s as easy of a fold as others are saying. I can see a bad player taking this line with KJ, QJ, J10, J9, and some pocket pairs. You checked the Ace and the flush draw, so he could be thinking that you c-bet light and he has you beat.

HU, maybe. This went 4ways to the flop, which means less chance we're cbetting and less chance he's screwing around with 2 others to react after him.

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I like a b/f OTT here. V would be crazy to bluff raise that card so if he calls or raises you can be very comfy that you are beat and can play the river accordingly.

Huh? Betting turn is for value, not a bluff. If he calls we should still feel like we’re ahead or the net isn’t accomplishing much.

I didn't say it was a bluff bet for Hero. It is somewhat of an equity protection bet that may also get value from weaker. BUT, if V checkraises us OTT, then I think we can safely fold as the Ac beats us in multiple ways.

Basically, we can bet less than $115 OTT and potentially get to SD on the river more cheaply if V just calls and checks the river (and we can maybe bet again for value OTR in some very rare circumstances).

Literally every GG post now is "I would have limped".

Limp reraise attempt here is lol bad

I have noticed that. Wondered if he’s trolling. I
Wonder if he’s on a massive downer?

Fair comment.

Even though my style has changed a bit over my ~4000 hours, I've always steadfastly maintained (with few exceptions) that the only reason to raise preflop is to narrow the field. And as stacks grow bigger, there is even less reason to raise "good" starting hands, especially OOP.

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Not trolling.

I constantly post my giraffe in the winrates thread, and recently updated my "1000" hours thread. You see any massive downers on there?

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