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bluff raise on flop??? bluff raise on flop???

08-04-2015 , 04:00 PM
V is super loose. very stabby. makes small bets with big hands and weak hands. Raises more than his share preflop. A lot of sweetener raises. Has a good feel for people and makes good laydowns. Not necessarily hero folds though.

Hero almost hasn´t played a hand in two hours. Has been folding from SB for $1 more and $3 more in BB (since player to left usually straddles). Likely a super tight, nitty image. V has never seen anything crazy from hero. Have played together before.

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V ($400) straddles $5 UTG, super fish calls ($500), hero ($500) calls T9 in SB, loose fishy BB calls, V raises straddle to $15, super fish calls, hero calls, BB calls.

flop ($54.50) K24

BB checks, V bets $20, super fish folds, BB is for sure mucking his cards, hero considers raising to perhaps $65. hero?

I give V a range of 77+,ATo+,A9s+,T9s+,any suited broadways, KQo, some random stuff.

Last edited by kookiemonster; 08-04-2015 at 04:09 PM.
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08-04-2015 , 04:05 PM
I like the thought process kookie monster you know he's super wide pre, chances are he totally whiffed the flop, but I don't think you need to raise it that big, 50 would accomplish the same thing. If BB calls give up and if he calls give up w/o a heart.
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08-04-2015 , 04:11 PM
Yeah, board is pretty dry, so would you raise that big with a set or AK? I will make an occasional suicide bluff (no equity to fall back on) when my image and the V are right, but I try very hard to play them just like I'd play a big value hand in the same situation.
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08-04-2015 , 04:13 PM
Pot size bet tells us what we need to know for sure.

$35 might not do it.

I like it.
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08-04-2015 , 04:59 PM
Looks OK. Would rather call against a good player since you rep pretty much nothing with a c/r but against a super loose player who can make folds I don't mind the spot since he will fold all his un paired hands that beat you, possibly even his mid pairs with your image.

In general though, I think you may get peeled once by mid pairs by your average loose player, so I would continue the story on a turned heart, Q or J to fold out those hands.
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08-04-2015 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
Yeah, board is pretty dry, so would you raise that big with a set or AK? I will make an occasional suicide bluff (no equity to fall back on) when my image and the V are right, but I try very hard to play them just like I'd play a big value hand in the same situation.
AK is not in my range. This is how I would play a set. V will c bet this flop with his entire range and I would love to trap super fish if he has anything. V is prob. not folding AK, don't know about KQ,KJ. Super fish is unable to get away from TP. Super fish is not folding an OESD. Might even call with a gutshot. I go for fat value and pray one of them has something. If super fish has two pair he is going busto. Maybe even with KQ,KJ with dry runout.

Not sure how I play KQ here. I think c/r'ing smaller than KQ is prob. an overplay

Edit: Maybe I just bet out here with a set. a c/r from me with my image might just give V an excuse to make a big laydown

Last edited by kookiemonster; 08-04-2015 at 05:44 PM.
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08-04-2015 , 05:43 PM
I like the semi-bluff here. You have runner runner to the fourth nut heart, a$$hole str8, two pair and trips.
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08-04-2015 , 07:42 PM
77-qq 36
at-aq 48
a9s 4
t9s,JTs,QTs,QJs 16
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104 combos he should fold (+some random stuff part of his range, maybe Ace rag suited)

KQ,AK,KJs,KTs,AA
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46combos he calls with

Even if you add TT-QQ to the hands he calls with, it´s like 50/50.

He hero folds KTs,KJs,KQ some non zero percent of the time.

With my raise size I am risking $65 to win $75.

Even worse case scenario should be +EV, no?
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08-04-2015 , 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyLikeABird
Looks OK. Would rather call against a good player since you rep pretty much nothing with a c/r but against a super loose player who can make folds I don't mind the spot since he will fold all his un paired hands that beat you, possibly even his mid pairs with your image.

In general though, I think you may get peeled once by mid pairs by your average loose player, so I would continue the story on a turned heart, Q or J to fold out those hands.
calling him down is not the best option because what are we doing to a turn bet? Even if it's hp, the villain is putting more money into the pot and we don't know if he's shutting down otr or 3barreling and we don't even have showdown value at all.

By raising the flop he is put to the test right away without him putting more money into the pot. The more money he commits, the less likely he's going to fold or give up on later street.

He would be more likely to fold his air otf rather than look us up. We are just betting that he missed the flop, which is a pretty good bet against a super wide opener.
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08-05-2015 , 04:43 AM
looks fine
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08-05-2015 , 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by kookiemonster
This is how I would play a set.
Donking with a set here is usually much better.
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08-05-2015 , 06:04 PM
If V is a typical bad aggressive player, and he doesn't realize that you have very few value hands in your range, then a bluff raise to 55ish should be profitable as long as he isnt the type to play back against pressure. It ultimately depends on how V reacts to flop raises since he likely has junk here.
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