Juicy 2/5NL game 7hrs into the session,

I've had a roller-coaster of a night, I was up ~$1600 at one point, now I'm +$450. I open too many hands and Villain knows this, has been trying to isolate and play pots in position all night.

Villain in the hand is a legit pro, doesn't get out of line very often. We have a lot of history together, and he has already made a comment about how my night has been going.

Villain 2 is playing every hand and is stuck big time. Calling raises OOP then check folding 95% of flops.

Stacks
Villain 2 UTG - $1200
Hero CO -$1450
Villain 1 BTN - $3200

UTG limps, I raise to $40 with K10, Villain 1 3-bets to $105, villain 2 calls, hero calls. ($312t)

Flop JJ5

Checked around ($312t)

Turn 10

Checked to Hero, Hero bets $75, Villain 1 raises to $200, Villain 2 turbo folds, Hero raises to $475, Villain 1 tanks and calls. ($1262t)

River A
Hero leads for $525,

Can you explain the turn/river logic and thought process? If you think V1 is playing back at you, why are we 3! turn? Why not just call and check/call most rivers.

1) Don’t bluff a player on tilt
2) Don’t bluff a pro
3) You are repping a jack, boats, sets and flushes that are also all in villains range when he tank calls the turn, the river is spew. When he calls the turn, I’m done with the hand.

Last but more importantly—- you have a poor image. When a player has a poor image they tend to be looked up lighter

Tbh, I don't hate it. Though I think I do hate the call pre, even with the tasty odds. Too hard to play this OOP against pro this deep.

Considering the line:
Cons:
- your image sucks
- bluffing tilty villains is -EV
- V has more boats in his range (you never have AA, AJ here)
- you didn't stuff. If you're gonna do this, you should commit on the river and shove
- you block KK
- V's small 3b pre is concerning
- V has all the AA combos in range

Pros:
- Credibly rep JT, TT, plus you block those hands
- credibly rep KQ
- you don't hold Ac
- V's turncall range is pretty wide imo
- V basically needs a boat (or i guess a flush) to call

Overall, its not terrible, but you are gonna own yourself a fair amount here. In any event, river shove is mandatory if you do this.

Turn is spew, I agree with Joey and it doesn't accomplish anything.

River I think anything he calls a 3b with on the turn he will call now for 3:1.

Should have just left the table, doesn't look like you were in the right frame of mind.

Tough to put him on anything after the flop checkback.

When he raises my turn bet, I put him on an overpair. Now im thinking he checked back the flop for pot control vs two players.

I want him to think I have a J/Flush/Boat when I make a small(er) turn raise.

The river I think it looks like im going for value with a bet size like that as opposed to jamming.

you have $870 left and bet $525
you think it looks to be a value bet
BUT you have a poor image and it looks like scared money to a pro
when you saw that you were playing poorly you have to have the discipline to pick up and leave

Why would he check back an overpair for pot control only to raise/call on the turn...?
Something doesn’t add up there.
Any ways... I think he checks back the flop with SDV mostly, and bets AK AQ KQ in the Flop. Probably 88 99 TT as well. so I put him on JJ QQ KK AA, AJ when he gets to the turn.

I think it’s possible that villain would raise/call his entire range here when u bet 75 into 312.
So on the riv if u think he fold KK QQ that’s 9 combos. And he calls with JJ AA AJ that’s 10 combos.
But now he might only call with KK QQ if he had a club then it’s 5 combos. Still getting 2:1 on folds.

... but he might bet QQ on the flop (more likely than betting AA KK) in which case he shows up on the riv with 10 calling hands and 2 folding hands so it’s a bad bluff.

All in all, I gotta say you’re crazy for that 3bet on the turn and i think it’s probably a spew but it kinda sounds like u play mostly to make cool plays and sweet bluffs so why not fire the riv. I would shove tho just to make sure those KK (QQ) hands fold.


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Guilty as charged.

4b pre

I wouldn't do any of this, but the one criticism I have is why you bet/raise small up until the river then leave money behind for your river bet. The only reason to make dinky plays like that would be to deny equity on a later street and you didn't do it.

Despite what you said I'd guess you don't have a great reason to think his 3bets are light, so you are mostly looking at JJ/TT/AKcc/AQcc/KQcc + weirdly played overpair for value and AcKx/AcQx/KQ as a bluff. As played you string this range straight into a river call, but if you jammed turn it would 100% give him a tough spot, but this "pro" is going to make a mistake and call into a range that has more J and XcXc too often IMO. Personally I would call max one street with my T and try to see a showdown.

As someone who has played with OP for literally hundreds of hours.

This is the most accurate statement I have ever read in my life.

More like Fold to 3! bet pre>>>>>>>>>>4! pre>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>call.

I think its a fold from the start. Don't know why you insist on playing pots OOP vs a guy who doesn't make many mistakes. You are setting up the exact situation that BTN wants with the type of hand you are holding.

You could argue a 4bet here, but BTN could call pretty wide knowing UTG loves to see flops. Not a fan of calling even getting decent odds.


AP, these 2.5x raises with these stack sizes are weird and kinda pointless, especially your reraise OTT. Is that a bluff or for value? Either way, just jam at that point. You don't even have a credible river shove size left.

You put yourself in this tough spot from preflop. Your value range are capped with TT/55/Jx/AXcc, V1 could have much wider and stronger range, also very likely blocked some of your value hands. Once V1 tank call your 3bet on the turn, I assume he was ready to call down your river shove on most river. I don't think "tank" at this game for a pro equal weakness unless you have some live reads.

It's as if every street was played bad. The turn play is the definition of button clicking.

Pre is a very marginal call only because stacks are deep, but still.

Check turn, don't donk.

I mean the bluff might go through sometimes, but you have a hand with showdown value, it's not wise to turn those into bluffs, it's even less wise to turn them into bluffs if your opponent is bluffing even less wise if you are going up against a very strong range consisting of trips+.

This looks like a whole lot of button clicking. Fold or 4bet bluff pre.

Once we get to the flop in this spot I dont even know what to say but the turn 3 bet makes no sense. His raise is polarized so your 3! either folds worse hands or gets you owned by better ones. If you feel the need to have a balanced 3! range ott then pick a bluff that has less showdown value but good blockers like AK/AQ. Also pick a sizing with fold equity. The 3! needs to be a shove. He can call that size with anything that isnt pure air. You need to put more pressure on his draws and 1 pair hands.

I guess if you are going to do this then betting the river is fine because his Ax hands got there, so your showdown value just went from meh to blech. If youre going to bluff just shove.

It’s not too bad if you were deeper, aside from hand frequencies. You can’t just do this with any T blocker and given game dynamics, he’s gonna just click call a lot.

At this depth, it’s pretty suicidal in practice, again especially given dynamics.

Anyway, don’t 8x iso when you’re acting in front of someone who’s 3! you a lot.

Flatting turn and finding some bluff on river is kind of sexy, a lot more so than the turn 3b, such as a donk-shove or crai.

Bolded should be the end all, be all here and why you should fold to the preflop 3ball (especially 8x iso'ing). A solid pro as you are describing here is going to want to play pots in position with the fish (V2, who you said is calling "raises" and not 3bets for ~10% of their stack and x/f'ing 95% of flops) with his marginal PF holdings, not bloat the pot with a hand KTs has decent equity against. He is so heavily weighted towards ultra-premium hands that are absolutely crushing you that you can just fold and move onto the next hand. If V2 didn't open limp we can maybe get into why 4betting or calling is merited but in this spot you're just drawing so thin I would just muck pre.

Assuming you havent 4 bet him yet, and assuming he has been targeting you with 3 bets, I would 4 bet preflop to about $280, I would expect V1 to fold wide. If you dont think V1 is folding wide to this, then I would fold pre. Also I would seat change... Also calling pre isnt as bad as everyone is saying because its a very small pre and you got another caller who is a station, which protects you somewhat from bluffs. You already said you play too wide, so from that perspective, I doubt it was near your worst preflop decision.

flop standard

turn is interesting, I probably wouldve check called and value bet a blank river instead, but I think betting isnt bad. After he raises... I mean, what does he have here? Quads wouldve called the turn, QQ+ wouldve bet the flop, so I gotta figure he has 1) a flush, which, FD would check back at least sometimes. 2) AcQ or AcK or maybe KQ although I sorta doubt it with his call. 3) JT or the 1 combo of TT (I feel like a hand like AJ would ship before the 4th club gets there). Your 3 bet reps JT or TT, and you certainly could have that here, but because thats your range, I really dont think he continues with the combo draws, but he could continue with the flush planning to call you off, or use his position to slowplay his FH. I think you shouldve bet more OTT, becuase I think your low turn bet baited you into thinking he could be calling with his draws.

River is terribad. You left $300 behind OTR? Also, I think V calls turn to fold river damn near 0%, but if he were to fold i feel like it would be to a ship.

I like this guy, we should be more like river me timbrs.

The title of this thread should be called "Punt a Stack."

If I want to be a Degen gambler I'll go play craps

On the flip side, dont be this guy.

Pretty bad I think. You’re usually crushed the first time v raises ott but once he calls your 3! you’re probably drawing dead and he’s not folding otr much to a <40% psb. Just lay it down. There are way better spots than OOP vs a good player in a 3! pot.