3-5nl Local casino

Hero stack little over 600

Villan stack 450ish

Brief history

Hero had played at the table about one hour bought in for 300 ran up to little over 600. Two of the wins came though the villan. Both times hero had the best hand. Villan does not appear to be to tilted.

Villan is in the bb and hero is in the sb with 3h3d.

5 people limp to hero who completes sb. Villan says give me Aces and looks at his card and makes it 35 to go. Everyone calls including hero.

Pot 280

Flop is 5s5c6c

Villan bets 50 dollars. Folded to hero who calls.

Pot 380

Turn is 7d

Hero tanks for a few and shoves all in covering villan.

What are your thoughts on this line?

I try not to make readless bluffs at these stakes, because the population tendencies are such that people just aren't folding a big pair here. I need more time with a guy to know that he's capable of laying down AA.

It's not a bad bluff, in that you credibly rep the hands that beat him, and the board is wet enough that there's a wide range of better hands. Having 6 outs if called is never a bad plan B either. When I do want to attack a villain in spots like this, I like go for the x/r bluff. But the stacks aren't deep enough for it, so the big lead is fine. Just make sure you are picking villains wisely, because the risk of getting snapped off by a station is very real.

Not sure your bluffing. More of merge. Equity denial bet.

Doubt he folds better.

so his range excluding total bluffs are all mid to high pocket pairs and AJ+ assuming he's not a compulsive squeezer. He squeezed over 5 people and it seems no one likes to fold in this game given everyone called so no one is going to be squeezing too light.

He bet 35 preflop which is small given he's out of position and has a bunch of limpers which makes me think he's looking for calls. His flop bet is really small when compared to the pot size but he went from 35 preflop to 50 on the flop. I've noticed in live games this does not necessarily indicate a weak hand, just no one has any idea about pot size.

Your shove at the end is a pot sized bet so not over betting or anything that has the potential to fold out made hands. So as played, he's going to fold all his AJ+ and call with all his pocket pairs. Is he folding 8s? doubt it.

So in my opinion, with this line, you're folding out all the worse hands and only getting called by hands that beat you. It does offer some protection against a high card coming on the river, but that's the only positive you're getting out of this action.

ez fold flop.... stop trying to outplay people and win every pot.

ap turn is spew

Good advice.

I did read the 50 flop bet as weak. I also knew the size of the pot at the time. It has been awhile since I played live,and the observation that not all people are keeping track of the pot is true. Thanks for your breakdown.

This might work but I wouldn't call it a bluff. I guess it depends on his barrelling frequency but the bad regs at 1/2 will cbet flop (incorrectly imo) with AK here into 5 but will check down after that so so often facing a call. Yeah it sucks if a picture hits the river but I think you should be trying to get this to showdown I don't think you're folding out much that beats you and I think it'll go check check then check check very often and I think you'll win it a reasonable %

Your line looks pretty bogus but could work occasionally. Villain left himself with an awkward stack size on the turn. With just less then a pot sized bet you can apply maximum pressure.

The problem is that if you have a straight/boat/5X why shove the turn? It would be better to check and hope villain takes another stab. The only reason to shove would be to charge flush draws and those have to make up a small part of villain's range.

I find LLSNL Vs to be non-believers on paired flops, so I need a really solid read before i try to bluff those boards.

Silly flop bet by V, 1/5 pot five ways. I think there's only 245 in the pot on the flop (7*35).

I agree when people say the line is silly but will work sometimes. I wouldn't go as far as saying it is spew but certainly high variance and marginal.

eww. that one stinks. if you are repping the 5 or the straight, why wouldn't you C/R the turn versus open shoving? open shoving looks so bluffy. it looks like you have 44 or 78. pair plus an open ender. or maybe a pocket pair less than jacks that does not want to have to call.

but since V could have been bluffing thus far, or he might actually lay down an overpair, it might work, but is definitely -EV against a legit overpair.

Marginal.

I reckon Villain is unable to fold any pair to your turn shove because it looks FOS so I think you'll be called more often than not.

I think you do better by folding flop or trying to check it down after you call flop.

Any info on V would be very helpful...

but we are almost always behind here and shoving seems really bad when you look at his range and the action so far.

Preflop, I do not think V is light raising over 6 LIMPERS. [88+,AKs,AKo, AQs]

OTF, I find it very unlikely V is capable of betting into 5 players with AK, AQ on this board, but getting this price I don't mind a call with our backdoors.

OTT, x-f.

Appreciate all the answers here. Very helpful.

yeah this

Yeah this is true but it's also still not a good play.

Because it's so multiway I doubt V is betting any bare overcards 2nd to act 6-way to the flop. He has overpairs+ or two overs and a FD. Those draws have so much equity against one-pair hands he'll both struggle to fold them and not be very far behind when he calls so I'm sure this shove is -EV against his whole range and actually faills to deny him his equity most of the time he's unpaired.