At an underground casino somewhere in china. Blinds are 5/10 rmb (about $.75/1.50). Table is somewhat loose and wild. My memory is not exact but I believe there was a preflop raise to 300 and two callers. Flop comes JTx with two clubs, one guy bets, next guy shoves all in (i think he's got about 1200) next guy calls as does the original bettor. Turn is a Ten and this is where it gets crazy. Mr Allin turns over his hand to show a full house - Ten Jack - but the other two are still in the hand! All hell breaks loose and the .. ahem .. 'floor manager' is called in to deal with it. I'm trying to say that it shouldn't matter the two players should continue and fight for a side pot but the boss decides that Mr All-in's hand is null and void! I argue a little, as far as I know there's no rule that says you can't play with your hand face-up but they say NO! if you show your hand it counts as a fold!
so the other two guys continue the hand, the river is the case Ten! Mr Quads storms out in a huff and the other two show JA and J8 and split Mr Quads cash with their tens full of jacks.

What do you think?


thanks

I had this exact thing happen to me here in America.

Another player flipped his hand over, and threw it in the middle of the table face up. I asked the dealer if his hand was dead and it was ruled it was not by the floor. The floor said that it is allowed in cash games to "get a read" on another player.

Now, it was only me and him in the hand... so I don't know if this is different when multiple people are in the hand or not.

I know that you are not allowed to expose your hand in a tournament game however.

IMO what happened to you his hand should be dead. if you throw it in the middle then it's mucked, right? but this guy didn't do that, he just turned over his cards to show them but he kept them in front of him.

His hand shouldn't be dead. However house rules are house rules, and I go with the idea that the floor decision is final. Especially in an underground game in China where you put 'floor manager' in quotes.

nothing too dodgy here. not gonna be any broken legs and stuff! in fact the 'floor manager' is somewhat of a friend of mine. It's about as above board as a casino in a country where gambling is illegal can be

I agree that the floor decision is final. just in this case i think that the floor decision was wrong.

Yes I agree floor decision was wrong and I would probably speak up and give my opinion. However I'm not getting too involved in this argument in an underground game (I play mostly in underground games myself).

If you're friends with the floorman I might speak up a little bit more, but I got the feeling that the floorman in your story might not be someone we wanted to mess with

How is that exactly the same thing?

House rules apply.

That said, it is a bad rule if that's the case. Not to mention it is bad for business because the quads guy probably will go to another room.

I don't know too many other rooms now ... 2 or 3 years ago maybe. I'd never seen him before but it seemed pretty from clear from his actions that he was inexperienced. He came back a couple of hours later and was pretty soon busted, this time by another player holding TJ! really bizarre night, people were hitting with TJ all night, I saw maybe ten hands were TJ was the winner , usually with trip T or a boat and another player also holding a T with a worse kicker. I promised myself I would play every TJ and the only one I got the betting on the AKx flop was too strong for me to stay in - Q did come on the river though.

i do not think his hand should be dead; but, as said above, house rules are house rules. It's too bad bc i can't imagine that going down here in lv and not coming out with the correct outcome.

poor mr quads.

Of course his hand should be dead.

Am I the only person who notices that the other two guys still have chips? As soon as Mr Quads intentionally turns over his hand then it could clearly influence the play causing someone to fold or lose value. For example one of the guys could have JJ and the other guy could have a flush or straight draw. The guy with the draw isn't going to put another cent into the pot now that he has seen he is drawing dead.

Good house ruling.

Wow, lots and lots of people ITT that do not have a lot of understanding of poker rules.

Killing a hand is the most severe punishment a floor can make short of a ban. It is only used for the worst violations. Exposing your hand in a multi-way pot with action pending is so far from the "worst" its not even funny. Bad, very bad ruling.

As general rule the only time a hand is killed is when you can not be sure if the hand is valid. E.g. A player mucks his hand into another hand, and now you have 4 cards and can not be sure which two belong to the live hand.

OP I would suggest that point the floor to this site and for him to implement these rules, as they are the root of most poker rooms. http://www.pokercoach.us/

If this post was in the B&M forum which is where it belongs, you would hear the same thing from the dealers and floor staff that post there, bad ruling, too bad house rules trump, even if they are bad.

this is an underground casino in China...