I open to 16 UTG w AhKd; (Just lost the previous hand, going for fake steam here even tho pretty stnd raise)
folds around to BB who makes the call;
V: guy in his 30's, fairly tight, passive player, moves like a snail with his actions, hasn't said a word since sitting down, beanie and big beard, he covers , has over 500
I had some difficulty ranging him here tbh
HU to a F: J63 (hhh); (32); he checks , i make stnd cb of 20, he calls
T:6s ; pretty bad turn card , when he checks to me again i think i have a little FE here and obvously a big draw so i bet 50 here into 72
he calls very slowly lol...strange dude
pot(172) ; I have 142 behind so a little less than a psb
R:5h; he checks , i ship, he tank calls , and mucks
not sure what he had here
my question is how do i play brick rivers here when he checks to me?
Also should i ever opt to check back on the turn?
I hit my Nut flush so this was easy to play the river but I'm not sure that i really knew what i would do if a brick hit and he checked to me
I open to 16 UTG w AhKd; (Just lost the previous hand, going for fake steam here even tho pretty stnd raise)
folds around to BB who makes the call;
V: guy in his 30's, fairly tight, passive player, moves like a snail with his actions, hasn't said a word since sitting down, beanie and big beard, he covers , has over 500
I had some difficulty ranging him here tbh
HU to a F: J63 (hhh); (32); he checks , i make stnd cb of 20, he calls
T:6s ; pretty bad turn card , when he checks to me again i think i have a little FE here and obvously a big draw so i bet 50 here into 72
he calls very slowly lol...strange dude
pot(172) ; I have 142 behind so a little less than a psb
R:5h; he checks , i ship, he tank calls , and mucks
not sure what he had here
my question is how do i play brick rivers here when he checks to me?
Also should i ever opt to check back on the turn?
I hit my Nut flush so this was easy to play the river but I'm not sure that i really knew what i would do if a brick hit and he checked to me
thoughts?
thanks for any feedback
PF and flop standard.
Why bet the turn? If you have no FE (by your own estimation), there's no reason to bet with A-high and risk having to fold your equity. Just check back and take a free card.
AP, I'd just check back brick rivers. Based on turn action, doesn't seem like you have FE and very occasionally you'll win with AK-high.
If you are acting tilted your FE is down so giving up on brick rivers is best. For the same reason checking turn or betting smaller if you think you do have enough FE. If you do check turn your stack will be too big to shove river but it would be a good spot for an over bet.
Given the villain, and the fact that you don’t have enough to make a strong enough bluff given the pot size, checking a brick river is fine (even though it blows when he shows down JTo or something).
You have a lot of options post. AK is the best hand a bunch.
I go 8x for isolation and achieve isolation; We want to play heads up pots with AK; If open to 12 or less I will likely go multiway; stnd raise in my mind
I go 8x for isolation and achieve isolation; We want to play heads up pots with AK; If open to 12 or less I will likely go multiway; stnd raise in my mind
Seems like a ridiculous strategy to me. Unless of course you just open an extremely narrow range.
Seems like a ridiculous strategy to me. Unless of course you just open an extremely narrow range.
When playing 1/2, I open to these large amounts and I open a pretty wide range. Not ridiculous at all. Have you ever even tried it?
I dont do it at 2/5 because pots rarely go 6 ways when I raise to $20-$25. If Im at a table where thats happening, my raises will increase in size until it stops and it doesnt matter if I have AA, AQ or J9s or whatever else Im raising.
When playing 1/2, I open to these large amounts and I open a pretty wide range. Not ridiculous at all. Have you ever even tried it?
I dont do it at 2/5 because pots rarely go 6 ways when I raise to $20-$25. If Im at a table where thats happening, my raises will increase in size until it stops and it doesnt matter if I have AA, AQ or J9s or whatever else Im raising.
It’s terrible. What’s with this concern about getting callers? That’s how you know you’re in a dream game. Unless there are some clear exceptions, you open raise to 10 max in 1/2-1/3, 15 in 2/5 and make all the money is postflop or just ckf since you just have to make hands at these levels. Opening to 16-20 in a 1/2 game is spew, and I won’t stop preaching it. It just makes pots too big, too soon and there are just so many give up spots against all the stations that you otherwise rely on to print.
Isolation is the fancy way of saying I want to make sure the idiots in my game find a way to fold their A7 off instead of playing it terribly vs a standard to largish standard open.
Seems like a ridiculous strategy to me. Unless of course you just open an extremely narrow range.
My UTG opening range should be pretty narrow right? if you wanna open for 10 UTG with AK in 1/2 then go for it but I would have to disagree with you on this
When playing 1/2, I open to these large amounts and I open a pretty wide range. Not ridiculous at all. Have you ever even tried it?
I dont do it at 2/5 because pots rarely go 6 ways when I raise to $20-$25. If Im at a table where thats happening, my raises will increase in size until it stops and it doesnt matter if I have AA, AQ or J9s or whatever else Im raising.
I agree with you on this; when playing 2/5 I will open 20,25, or 30 I usually wont 8x it bc you don't have to
It’s terrible. What’s with this concern about getting callers? That’s how you know you’re in a dream game. Unless there are some clear exceptions, you open raise to 10 max in 1/2-1/3, 15 in 2/5 and make all the money is postflop or just ckf since you just have to make hands at these levels. Opening to 16-20 in a 1/2 game is spew, and I won’t stop preaching it. It just makes pots too big, too soon and there are just so many give up spots against all the stations that you otherwise rely on to print.
I disagree with this on so many levels. I feel opening to 12-16 is standard for me with AK, AQ, and other hands that make top pair top kicker along with JJ, QQ,KK,AA . I feel it’s best to force lower SPRs when we can. I think this type of play can be very obvious to solid live players and can give away strength of our hand but I feel most live 1-2 players are there for fun and don’t take game so serious so they don’t understand this (more casual players). I feel there is money to be made playing hands like AK in pots with less than 4 players.
Opening to say 8 with AK is a invitation to play 5-6 ways at 1-2 which is not good. I feel 1-2 players are much less likely to 3 bet so you kinda have to force the pot to look the way you want it in regards to sizing. Opening to say 6-8 and getting 5-6 callers is not a situation I’m a fan of unless i flop the nuts. Even one pair is very odd to play in a pot with many opponents.
I say let them call. They’re the stone worst face up players in the world post flop amplified by having way too many hands preflop bc we open raise sized appropriately for our stack.
My UTG opening range should be pretty narrow right? if you wanna open for 10 UTG with AK in 1/2 then go for it but I would have to disagree with you on this
No it shouldn’t. I’d use 22+, A2s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, AQo+ from UTG in a game w zero 3b frequency and fit folders post. It’s also ok to just knock out half of this from UTG, UTG1 and not hurt winrate, but I still wouldn’t alter sizing unless I went TT+ AQs+ in which case you are forced to size up and at this point playing too few hands. Anyways now I’m a spew I think lol.
No it shouldn’t. I’d use 22+, A2s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, AQo+ from UTG in a game w zero 3b frequency and fit folders post. It’s also ok to just knock out half of this from UTG, UTG1 and not hurt winrate, but I still wouldn’t alter sizing unless I went TT+ AQs+ in which case you are forced to size up and at this point playing too few hands. Anyways now I’m a spew I think lol.
It’s terrible. What’s with this concern about getting callers? That’s how you know you’re in a dream game. Unless there are some clear exceptions, you open raise to 10 max in 1/2-1/3, 15 in 2/5 and make all the money is postflop or just ckf since you just have to make hands at these levels. Opening to 16-20 in a 1/2 game is spew, and I won’t stop preaching it. It just makes pots too big, too soon and there are just so many give up spots against all the stations that you otherwise rely on to print.
You can preach it all you want. I destroyed 1/2 for 16.5BBs/hr lifetime using that preflop strategy so its clearly NOT terrible.
I say let them call. They’re the stone worst face up players in the world post flop amplified by having way too many hands preflop bc we open raise sized appropriately for our stack.
Not everyone has the option of playing at tables where the entire field has been plucked from some charity game in 2004.
Not everyone has the option of playing at tables where the entire field has been plucked from some charity game in 2004.
You’re overestimating your opponents. Have you read theses forums? These are the majority of people that are trying. Everyone is terrible. If you’re good enough than all you care about at 1/2-2/5 is that you have opponents willing to put money into the pot pre/post, period. When you open raise UTG and get 4 callers pre, you should be ecstatic becasue how can they win?
$30/hr is the minimum you should make in a 1/2 game? You're just being stupid now. How old are you?
Minimum if you’re a crusher. No, I’m not joking or being stupid. You also crushed it bc you were light years better than them post flop. We’re also just taking about open raise sizing, which is not so much about where money is made but more about where money is lost. It’s a leak to open that big under normal conditions and for newer players/small winners I think it’s a huge boon to open to 10.
You’re overestimating your opponents. Have you read theses forums? These are the majority of people that are trying. Everyone is terrible. If you’re good enough than all you care about at 1/2-2/5 is that you have opponents willing to put money into the pot pre/post, period. When you open raise UTG and get 4 callers pre, you should be ecstatic becasue how can they win?
Amanaplan: Everyone at 1/2 plays face-up. Only a chump can't outplay four monkeys, even when OOP.
DrChesspain: There are many tables where some players have a clue, even at 1-2.
Amanaplan: Naah...everyone sucks...don't you 2+2 bro?
Amanaplan: Everyone at 1/2 plays face-up. Only a chump can't outplay four monkeys, even when OOP.
DrChesspain: There are many tables where some players have a clue, even at 1-2.
Amanaplan: Naah...everyone sucks...don't you 2+2 bro?
Even the players that have a clue and might win just call too much, have massive sizing tells, laughably unbalanced ranges, etc. What I’m saying here is that the attitude should be that anyone who puts money in when you’re in the hand is dead — you’re making the max from them and they make the min from you. You can play more hands opening to 10 which makes you harder to play against for players that have a brain. Haven’t you ever sat in a game where someone is clearly better than you, stomping fish, locking out regs, sizing perfectly, killing it...? Well if that’s not you then it should be and believe it or not that person is not opening to 8x on the regular at 100bb.
