Curious about the best way to play a big draw vs multiple opponents/stack sizes:

Game is $1-2, late on a weekday night in Vegas. I'm on the button with about $430.

Player in middle position raises to $13. Cutoff calls, I call with 89, big blind calls.

I've been sitting for about 20 minutes and have not seen any of the players in this hand show their cards or do anything out of line or noteworthy.

Flop: J104

Big blind has around $340 and bets $34, middle position folds, and the cutoff goes all in for $104.

All my money is on the table, so if I get crippled I'm nearly finished for the night (and foreseeable future).

What's the best play here?

All in.

In that case, fold.

EZ shove. BB will most likely fold and you are most likely flipping for 104. Even if BB calls, you are never more than a 9:11 dog.

I probably call the $104 just hoping that the initial bettor sticks it in and I'm forced to call off the rest. Getting it in 3 ways or more with a OESFD is the nuts, and I'm sure all of your outs are clean given the action (donkbet = pair, shorty jam = top pair or better)

Also you shouldnt be playing deep if your entire roll is on the table. Sitout and split your roll so you can rebuy 50BB at a time, at least now you have 4 bullets instead of 1.

Thanks for the replies. Shoving was my first thought, as it almost always is when I have a hand I'm willing to go broke with vs a big bet and a raise. But during the 45 seconds or so that I tanked, my thinking went:

there might not be much merit to isolating the cutoff and potentially forcing the bigger stack to fold, other than reducing my risk/reward.

On the other hand, if I just call, my hand looks very much like a draw, in which case the big blind might call and get scared off by a on the turn, or shove on a blank turn and put me in a really tough spot.

So in the end I shoved. BB thought for a long time and called with J4 and the cutoff showed a set of 10s. I turned the flush and the river was a blank.

This is awful. Stop playing with money you can't afford to lose. You won't be able to win

I mean basically this... and you don't even need to add the "You won't be able to win" at the end.

The power of shoving with a big hand here comes in the fold equity you gain. You are semi-bluffing hoping to take down the pot with 8 high. A lot of people mistake big draws as just a "get it in" spot as if their equity is always actually ahead. When someone beats us to the punch we know we're obviously beat so there's really no merit in shoving at this point. If we're going to get it in with a draw we might as well get as many people in there with us. Why would you ever want to isolate a shorter stack? I mean, i guess you lose less when you miss and the BB folds but I prefer to win big pots with hands like this. Keep in mind thats only when I range villains appropriately and think our draw is live.

When did he say he can't afford to lose? He just said he can't afford to continue playing if he does lose.

I think this is the case for a lot of recreational players.

With so many rooms in Vegas I would get up, move down the street and buy-in for $100 before this hand ever played out. You'll get to play longer and reduce your chance of busto.

Agree with this logic, and it pretty much solves my dilemma of whether I want the deeper stacked big blind in the hand. Didn't mean to imply that I was playing with life money - just that I only brought one buy-in and didn't know when I'd get another chance to play live. As an anonymous stranger, I wasn't expecting such strong concern for my financial well being. So I was just weighing the possible outcomes of attempting to play a medium pot with just the cutoff and allowing myself to play further if I lost, vs playing a huge pot with the big blind.

There is no hand you should be flatting with in this spot.

Fold. Fold. Fold. You've only committed 13$ -- but if you're up for variance, go ahead and jam.

flat

why do u need FE ?

CO has a made hand: so we need to hit anyway. folding the initial bettor does not really increase our chance to win the pot (unless he has A high flush draw - in which case u lose 2 outs - or if he calls u are crushed)

CO has A high flush draw : u are crushed anyway already.

initial bettor could be Cbetting, but CO shows obvious strength, we are mostly flipping with thin EV.

fold>call>raise

but in game my thinking process would be call>raise>fold because oesd +fd

Sounds like you need a double up bad. Go all in.