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05-30-2014 , 01:45 PM
What is your short cut for figuring out how much to bet on each street to get all-in?

Let's suppose, we see a flop and we have a made hand (set, boat, straight, flop, anything you're happy betting 3 streets with). How do you get all-in?

For example, suppose the pot on the flop is $100, and effective stacks heads-up is $1300. Then you'd have to bet full pot on the flop ($100), full pot turn ($300), and full pot river ($900).

If effective was $735, then you'd bet 3/4 pot on each street ($75, $190, $470).

if effective was $566, then you'd be 2/3 pot.

If effective was $350, then you'd only have to bet 1/2 pot for 3 streets.

Of course, you get it in sooner with smaller effective stacks, but just wondering if you had some short cut in calculating how much to bet each street to get all-in.

(I'm intentionally excluding other important factors such as how likely opponent will call multiple streets vs bigger bets on less streets, or how to charge draws appropriately, etc)
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05-30-2014 , 01:59 PM
You've confused getting it all-in with getting maximum value out of your hand. Potting the flop is usually a good start. After that you need to start targeting a range rather than focusing on stacks. Often time both methods result in the same lines, but if you crush the board you've got to be careful not to blast everyone out of the pot.
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05-30-2014 , 02:06 PM
Right, let's assume I don't want to blast everyone out and smaller bet on each street leads to max value.
I want to figure out what's the smallest percentage of the pot on each street to get it all-in.
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05-30-2014 , 02:40 PM
I don't know that there is a shortcut per se, I think it's just experience like when you first started playing keeping track of pot size was clumsy then it just becomes second nature. I really suck at planning this part of the hand and have been working on trying to pay more attention.
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05-30-2014 , 02:53 PM
SPR (ratio of stack to pot on the flop, which is super easy to compute) is probably the easiest shortcut method. Just sit down and figure out some standard SPRs and then figure out how you will most likely get stacks in by the river.

A rough starting point:

4 = 2 PSBs (which you'll want to do on drawy boards) or 3 smaller sized bets (on dry boards)

5 = 3 2/3 PSBs (dry boards) or 2 5/4 PSBs (drawy boards)

6-8 = 3/4 PSBs over 3 streets (heavier on early streets on drawy boards)

9+ = PSBs over 3 streets

GcluelessNLnoobG
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05-30-2014 , 02:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
SPR (ratio of stack to pot on the flop, which is super easy to compute) is probably the easiest shortcut method. Just sit down and figure out some standard SPRs and then figure out how you will most likely get stacks in by the river.

A rough starting point:

4 = 2 PSBs (which you'll want to do on drawy boards) or 3 smaller sized bets (on dry boards)

5 = 3 2/3 PSBs (dry boards) or 2 5/4 PSBs (drawy boards)

6-8 = 3/4 PSBs over 3 streets (heavier on early streets on drawy boards)

9+ = PSBs over 3 streets

GcluelessNLnoobG
well there you go. thank you.
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05-30-2014 , 09:17 PM
Thanks
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05-30-2014 , 10:12 PM
Miller and co go into this in depth in Professional NLHE Vol 1.
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