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01-15-2016 , 02:04 PM
*actually 275bbs deep due to straddle*

2-3-5 deepstack with mandatory 10'straddle
hero has 2750 all villians cover

ep rando limp
tag co $50
btn fish flats
sb whale flats
hero AKo $260
everybody but rando ep limp calls

$1050 flop
AJ7r
sb whale check
hero has $2500 behind and all villians cover

whats our best sizing here with the pot so bloated?
$750 flop -> $1750all in ott?
$350 flop -> $700 turn -> $1450 all in otr?


Bonus question: whats our sizing on AT9 with a flush draw (assume we have no backdoors)


edit: prolly shoulda posted hand in mhsnl, but everytime i do, somebody moves it to llsnl anyways

Last edited by HappyLuckBox; 01-15-2016 at 02:10 PM.
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01-15-2016 , 02:19 PM
Are you really planning to get 275bb in/3streets against AQ here?
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01-15-2016 , 02:33 PM
The 275bb doesn't matter. What's more important is that the SPR is about 2.5. I think your first line is best, but I would feel better having more info on opponents and what I could expect them to call or peel with. Anyway, it's an easy c-bet of 750, no reason to string it out over 3 streets.
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01-15-2016 , 05:31 PM
I think i go for 3 streets. Calling 750 without a big ace id a lot harder than calling 350 without a big ace. Also 750 pretty much implies you're shoving the turn.

I think the smaller bet can come off weaker and people will peel lighter with the size of the pot unless you have a bad image. I think peeling ax is a lot easier to 350 than 750.

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01-15-2016 , 05:55 PM
Raise more preflop, there is 165 to steal and you will be out of position with a deep stack. I'd make it $330.

as played- Bet/fold $400 on flop, if called, bet $700 on turn, check river

Problem with raising as small as you did preflop and then leading the flop in a multiway pot, your hand is face up. I am sizing here to make a stubborn Jx/QQ hand stick around. I am not looking to get stacks in. The times we stack some one off with AQ, are overwhelmingly offset by the times we get stacked off vs JJ/77/AJ
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01-15-2016 , 06:13 PM
Also some considerations, since there is a good tag still in the pot, we are going to want some bluffs in our range in case he calls for turn and river? I'd certainly 3! KQo here to squeeze the tag out of the hand and iso the fish, and almost certainly cbet here with that hand in this situation as well.



KQo also seems the most valid to fire turn and river with for balance if the tag flats. Also i would want to size the same with my bluffs and value in case im up against the good villian.
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01-15-2016 , 07:05 PM
Any reads or perhaps a range for the tags opening range in the CO. Seem like we need something to work with. If you can't answer any of those questions I don't like the 3!.

Given that the cut off flats the 3 bet after getting a string of callers I'm going range him on roughly 77-QQ and A10s+ but that's just a crude guess.

As played in betting 525
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01-15-2016 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr_Doomed
Any reads or perhaps a range for the tags opening range in the CO. Seem like we need something to work with. If you can't answer any of those questions I don't like the 3!.

Given that the cut off flats the 3 bet after getting a string of callers I'm going range him on roughly 77-QQ and A10s+ but that's just a crude guess.

As played in betting 525


seems approriate range for tag.
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01-15-2016 , 08:21 PM
gotta get a little value with our hand.

in this spot you are so strong and the board is so uncoordinated, you almost check for deception and either CR the flop, or get more value on the turn.

as played, I would bet 700 and just take it down. there is enough money there not to get greedy.
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01-15-2016 , 09:20 PM
a and a
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01-16-2016 , 12:42 AM
SPR is 2.5. Villians are either WB or WA. I like spreading it over 3 streets to keep the absolute sizing down on the big streets.

If we are stacking off to a K,Q,T OTT I like betting enough that GSSD's and Jacks make a mistake by calling. 40-50% is good.

If V's are inelastic to flop sizing with an ace and nobody is going to call with a gutter or a jack we might as well go larger and then we have a lot more options for the turn and river. Betting $600 and $500 on turn bricks might be interesting, leaving 1/3 PSB and a mind ****ed V OTR.

If we don't have to worry about inducing something, can safely bet/fold, might lose an ace with bigger sizing, keeping it small might be best. Folding out weaker Aces would be be a catastrophe.

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Originally Posted by HappyLuckBox
Bonus question: whats our sizing on AT9 with a flush draw (assume we have no backdoors)
Are they really calling pf with broadways and suited cards? If yes you can argue that is becomes a two street hand. If no, then I would treat it similarily except go a bit bigger because of scare cards/V's will level themselves/they become inelastic with TP if turn brings a 3 flush.

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Originally Posted by PFunkaliscious
...there is enough money there not to get greedy.
Greed is good.
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01-16-2016 , 06:13 PM
From a theoretical perspective I think it makes sense to be betting small with your range here since most of it just wants to bet for protection/thin value and you can still set up a river shove with small sizings so your range will still be uncapped. So because of those reasons I think $300 is best and you can go $500 on blank turns and still have the option to shove river.
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01-16-2016 , 09:33 PM
Are we, after 3! PF, totally committed to this pot now that we've hit TPTK?
Is there a scenario where we lead, get raised, and fold?
AJ, JJ and 77 are the hands we fear the most, and we don't have a lot of reads except to know that all of our Vs would be likely to call PF with all those hands, as well as a lot more.

If there's a chance we might bet/fold, I'd consider $450-600, and then prob shove most turns if not raised on the flop.
If we're not considering any folds on the flop, probably betting $600-1000.
If SB is a whale, he's not folding any ace for any bet, and he's likely calling a bunch of gut shot draws too. If someone else gets frisky, this gets serious fast.

I probably totally commit to this hand after 3! PF and hitting, so I'm leading big, targeting the whale who will call with a very wide range, and shipping flop.

The straddle and deep stacks make this a big game. I don't think anyone wants to stack off $2750 with one pair, but if someone can get you off this hand with a raise, are you playing scared for the stakes? I dunno.
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01-16-2016 , 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by daniel9861
From a theoretical perspective I think it makes sense to be betting small with your range here since most of it just wants to bet for protection/thin value and you can still set up a river shove with small sizings so your range will still be uncapped. So because of those reasons I think $300 is best and you can go $500 on blank turns and still have the option to shove river.
+1
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01-16-2016 , 10:26 PM
I like $450-$550 OTF, then jam any brick looking turn card.
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