I open for $7 w A A in first position, I start the hand w about 350. I have been raising most hands I play, we all have been at the table about an hour. Another player in EP makes it $20 and it folds around to the button who calls the $20.

I 4 bet to $70, ep raiser folds and the button calls $70 and has about $200 left. I have not seen the villain here make a call like this, so I am putting him on a premium hand. KK, QQ, JJ, AK. We see a flop of Q 8 3

My dilemma here is my bet sizing. I feel like I should be making a bet of 80-100 into this pot of 160. But I dont think I am folding if he goes all in over my bet. Therefore should I just be over betting the pot to $200 to put him all in?

Bet $60, shove all turns if called. Don't fold if he jams. Easy game

thats all I get?

This is very good advice.

Do you want quality or quantity? JK. It is really good advice so I would take it.

That's pretty much all you need. If he showed you QQ or some spazzed out 88, good for him. Don't be results oriented.

You need to think about this before the flop not after. You autobet preflop when maybe you could have avoided an awkward spot. Plan ahead. Problem solved.

This is fine, but if he has KK/QQ it doesnt matter what you do.

Maybe he calls $60 with AK? He shouldnt but maybe? If he has the FD hes probably shoving no matter what you do.

I think I would just shove my chips in and hope he puts me on AK and makes a hero call with JJ or less.

If he rocks up with QQ/88, good on him. But we're never ever ever folding this hand, our stack depth just isn't enough so don't even bring that possibility up lol. So depends what type of player he is. $160 in the middle, even jamming $200 isn't that big of an overbet. Having said that, i'd do one of two options here depending on the type of opponent i'm up against. Jamming may seem very bluffy inducing that logic of(why is he betting so much if he had AA/KK/QQ if he wants a call?) and induce hands like 99/TT/JJ/Qx to hero call you. Second is betting really small(~$60), to seem weak(bluffy cbet/AK type hands) and induce spazzy jams from your opponent.

Huh...? Autobet ? What are u doing w AA pre here...?

I would shove the flop. This allows for the villain to make an awful hero call with JJ, TT. In my experience 1/2nl players love to put people on AK. If we bet 60 and he peels with JJ, and we shove any turn I think he has an easier fold.

If Villain somehow got here with AQ he's calling, KK he's obviously calling, and if he has QQ oh well.

By the $7 open I'm assuming this is 1-2.

Open larger UTG. Although 3.5BB from UTG would be fine online, live it will generally lead to a calling train. It gives implied odds for anyone with a PP to try and stack us by hitting a set. Once someone calls, many other junk hands are priced in to over all with position. Hell, if it calls around the the blinds, the BB would be putting in $4 into $57 to try and hit a miracle flop with nearly ATC.

If we open to $12, we probably get 3bet to $36. After the cold call from BTN, we can 4bet to $90 or even $100. This sets up a trivial flop shove.

Since we are OOP, we could probably play AK almost the same way (4bet/fold, shove flop if called).

Think about your sizing.

pre sizing was fine.

OP you are $200 effective left with a pot of $160, you don't want V to fold, but you want to get the money in. so 1/3ish remaining stack on the flop and the rest on the turn would be standard, as wj94 stated in the first response.

[QUOTE=coachnorowski;51785313]
I 4 bet to $70, ep raiser folds and the button calls $70 and has about $200 left. I have not seen the villain here make a call like this, so I am putting him on a premium hand. KK, QQ, JJ, AK. We see a flop of Q 8 3

Look at the two things I've highlighted.
1) The BTN didn't 4!
2) given 1, why would KK be in his range? Why would AK be in his range. This is live so I could see QQ or AK be in his range but I would weight it more towards TT, JJ, AQ or AKo.

The flop is a pretty easy bet. I would expect villain to call JJ and TT some of the time which is great, AQ all of the time which is great, I doubt AK will ever shove on you because you have the A and of course shove QQ. If he shoves, it might not seem like it but its an easy call. Why is it an easy call?

Flop: Pot = $160
Hero bets $80 (as they should)
Villain shoves for $200
Pot = $440 with $120 to call.
$120 to win $660 = 21.4% equity needed
If we think that villain is only shoving QQ, 88 and AQ and only AQ 50% of the time our equity is 38.2%.
It's a call.

[QUOTE=donkbird88;51793933] I still like shoving flop a bit more than betting 80. It's only 25% over a psb and I think we are more likely to get it in against JJ and TT this way than betting 1/2 pot flop shoving any turn.

[QUOTE=JacetheMind;51794020] I think that can certainly be good depending on the villain. Like if we think we are gonna get looked up because "OMG HE ALWAYS HAS AK HERE" (lol live) then I think its a pretty good shove.

I guess I'm just not too afraid of many turns here. We block a TON of flush draws with the A (AJ,AK,AT), there arent any overcards to scare us so AK is basically dead, KK probably would have shoved pre.

On second thought given the above I would prefer a shove as well. He cant have all that many draws which means diamonds are going to scare them and with a hand like JJ or TT an A or K kills our action. I think shove>bet>check.

Cant critique pf sizing as its usually best to open what everyone else to opening to. I think $7 is fine is that is the standard size pf.
I usually cbet closer to 35% on the flop after a 3b+ pot which is around $60 here. If BTN calls, bet $140 into $280 on turn which puts BTN all in.
Remember you don't need to bet the standard 55% on the flop in a 3b or 4b pot.
Also, I really do not like jamming here as it is very rare to for a $1/2 player to make a $200 hero call.

What?

Perhaps we ought to call Q3s preflop because everyone else is doing it. Maybe we could also call down too much because, well, everyone else is doing it.

Regardless of the table, or where it is, it is almost universally true that 1/2 Vs call too often, especially preflop. We are going to exploit this by raising small because everybody else is doing it?

There is only one situation in which this is remotely the right play, and that is if the pot is raked preflop, and the whole table has agreed to fold to any raise bigger than $7, and if that is true, well, let's just say I am not interested in playing in such a neutered game.

Really bad advice, Sir. I play MY game. I dont let other people dictate my game to me.

You are absolutely committed to the hand . EspecI ally on a flop like this .

Value extraction is your main concern I'm only gonna bet like 50 on the flop and jam all turns


I like opening for 10 from EP in 1/2 games. At least .

4 bet sizing is fine