1/2 live.

4 people have limped, people have been defending their limps, a couple of them are short as are a bunch of the people left to act. Hero thus decides to limp the CO with TJdd.

6 to the flop.

Flop:KQ5r.

Checks to HJ who bets 7. Hero??? Price is cheep and it's multiway so hero just calls. SB also calls.

Turn J. Two spades on board.
Pot: 30

HJ bets 15.
Hero???

Without a raise preflop this kind of bet is going to be a lot of weak kings and queens. The question is how much fold equity do we have against someone holding something like K8?

Effective stacks? Reads on HJ?

Generally speaking, in 1/2, against a V who has bet twice, I find semi-bluffing turns is basically lighting money on fire.

Stacks were probably like 150 going into the turn.

Hate the limp Pre. AP call-since you didn't give us a read on the V.

JTs on the BTN is a nice hand to iso-raise. Maybe you pick up all the limps maybe HJ ditches the hand he hit flop with but someone else continues pre and your flop cbet or turn barrel wins the pot. Or you could cbet flop get called nd take the free card on the turn. Whatever, raising pre gives you more ways to win pre and postflop and creates a bigger pot to win too.

As played I shouldn't think raising the turn will get your average V to lay down any of his top pair immediately. I think weak top pair is a good portion of HJ's range though so if you raise turn make it big enough to set up a scary looking allin on the river. You need a read V can fold top pair before raising the turn though as at these stack depths many loose players will gii with all their top pairs.

So, assuming you have a weak/tight postflop read for HJ:

Turn pot is 30, V bets 15 with 135 behind. If you raise to 40 and he calls river pot is 110 with 110 effective stacks.

Pot sized shove following a weak looking river check might get sufficient folds to be +EV for the whole turn/rive line alone plus you may catch a 9 A J or T to draw out on him. I don't think a turn raise/shove most rivers line is too bad but stacks are a little short to make me super happy about it. A bigger turn raise with more behind will get a lot more folds both on turn and river.

That's a huge assumption. I assume loose/passive for a 1/2 V I have no read on.

Sorry I'm not saying I assume random V is weak/tight, I meant: assuming you actually have a read this particular V is weak/tight postflop then you could semibluff raise the turn.

Mostly you won't have such a read and your assumption in those circumstances should be that unknown V is loose passive and likely very sticky with top pair. Bluff is a no go in that situation. Just wanted to say how I'd approach it if a bluff were appropriate.

Ah, that makes more sense. Thanks for clarifying.

Do you really want to be opening to $10 vs people with $50-80 stacks with JT?

Sounds reasonable thanks. The only thing I don't know about is iso raising with little fold equity with JT vs people with 25-50bb.

Just because they are short stacked doesn't mean they will shove pre. If they are still limping in wide they'll have to keep folding preflop to raises or call and fold a lot of flops.

Yes or don't play the hand if stacks are that shallow.

Also you posted the hand, don't get defensive when you get feed back you don't agree with.

The value of hitting top pair goes up when you raise preflop, with these stacks.

$7 is not cheap. $12 in the pot, 3 way for $7 brings total to $33. Now instead of the $1 rake pre, they've raked $4. In some places $5 because they would have raked $2 for the BBJ. So, net in those cases is $28 & you've put in 1/4th of the net money to try & hit a 4.875:1 shot.

You might squeeze out a profit if an ace hits OTT, but what about a 9? And, we still have $3 more in rake to contend with.

"He who chases straights & flushes, find themselves riding home on buses." So freakin' true in high rake/low limit hold em. Unless you have a lotta' fish who luv to nibble. 3 way to the turn, 50% of those who called pre, tells me you don't.