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Originally Posted by mrjones_76
a 2k downswing will probably happen to everyone who plays long enough
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Originally Posted by Methodos
Most people playing at this level don't understand BR management. If you want to not go broke and build your bankroll, it's best you save up and play with 20X the max buy in for 1/2 which is presumably $200. That's 4K minimum to play comfortably and stick to your game/strengths. Otherwise you'll reach a bad streak and play scared. Bankroll Management is more important than the cards, the reads, the betting patterns, the rake, the casino, the players... You get the picture. Trust me, this is what will determine how long you play.
I find this hard to believe, you are basically saying that a good player will get it in bad ~10 times in a row and not ever drawing out. This does not sound like a decent player. It sound like a casual river donk who want to have fun. While I do know that you can have huge swings I just cannot see a good player ever getting it in this bad. Is he playing AKS into AA 10 times or some other crap that doesn't make sense in real life outside the bubble of mathematical models? bigtuna is correct with what he say, if you go on a 2k downswing in a NL1/2 you should seriously consider quiting the game and only play for fun in home games for nickle and dimes.
I have come across a few players who have some serious swing but I would not say that anyone of them are any good. They are decent at best and just sit in feeding the games. To get loses at the size some say WILL come is not variance but a bad player at the table. While there may be some theoretical probability for this happening I cannot see this happening that often, in fact I would say these are unique events.
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Originally Posted by kman
Lol at people saying losing 2000 is next to impossible, you have not played enough poker. My bankroll is 8000 and I still want it to be more for 1/2. You will go on bad runs against donks that you simply can not avoid. I can remember countless times getting all my money in with top set post flop and guys hitting flushes or some a open ended straight draws. A lot of these players just want to gamble because they are young and stupid which is what I want but will also bring many bad beats. Just wait for the live doom switch to come it happens to everyone.
You will need to run really bad! I'd say chances are higher that you suck if you lose 2k at the NL1/2
(100 cap) then running bad. Flips aren't as hot as some think and they have some intrinsic values in them that few can evaluate properly. Flipping with a 400BB stack isn't as hot as doing the same with a 100BB stack. The amount of bad luck one would need
(as a good player) to sit down and lose 10 buy ins at the 1/2 have probably not been heard of in real life. That a bad player will have these swings is only natural and really not anything a good player should consider when building his BR.
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Originally Posted by acesholdup
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You do not recognize that a lot of player over value their skills at the table. They can't get a handle on why they have the huge swings and why they seem to get in behind more then others. I'd say you won't ind that many playing the 1/2 for 10 years, they either quit the game or move up to higher levels where they can make a living. The win rates you need at the NL1/2 playing a 100BB cap is insane and probably not achievable by many players out there in a game where you have at leas 2 other players who don't suck big time at a 9~10 man table.
I do however agree that
life-roll-management should be a much bigger concern for a poker player then the
bank-roll-management. But still, a bad player will never make money no mater what strategy they take toward their game. A bad player is a losing player and cannot by default be a winner
(albeit they can be whiners).
For OP: Finding your true skill level should be a bigger concern then finding the proper BRM strategy for your game.