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06-19-2019 , 02:16 PM

Jamlana

centurion

Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 148

Hero: African American female 20s ($206) HJ, tight and somewhat passive far

Villian: White male, 50s ($250) BB, tight and somewhat aggressive

One limper to Hero with T

who makes it 11, villian in BB and limper calls
($29, after rake)

Flop A

Checks through (29)

Turn 7

Villian bets 28, Limper folds, Hero makes it 56, Villian calls (130)

River 9

Villian checks, Hero bets 56, Villian shoves, Hero ???

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06-19-2019 , 02:39 PM

zegota

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 111

Cbet flop unless you have a good reason not to.

Trivial call on river.

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06-19-2019 , 05:05 PM

Deuces2x2

stranger

Join Date: May 2019 Posts: 8

You’re only losing to J-10 diamonds if he is a good player. Should have raised more on the turn, maybe 70 or 80. Sigh call river but expect to win at least half the time, chopping with his 10d-x combos too

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06-19-2019 , 06:00 PM

Mook

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Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 255

If V is “somewhat aggro” by 1/2 live standards (i.e. not really) I bet we see TT here quite a bit.

OOP I’d be fine with a flop check but IP go ahead and c-bet. And you HAVE to bet more on that turn. If V is stabbing with air he’s folding to any raise, so you might as well charge him more for anything else.

AP, easy call but you’re not in as bad shape as you might think.

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06-19-2019 , 08:18 PM

QuadJ

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Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 6,231

The river raise is not pretty. Villain should know you have so much money in the pot so your not folding anything plausible. Which is correct, you can't fold here. There are just too many ways you can be chopping to fold. AT/TT/T8/T9/T7 and various flush draws with a ten are all in play. Plus some chance villain is over playing AK/set/two pair and an outside chance villain thinks he can bluff you off your hand after the river same bet.

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06-19-2019 , 08:46 PM

sixsevenoff

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Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 5,411

I would c bet flop $15 - this is definitely a flop we should be c betting.

I would make it $80 on the turn.

River is definitely a call.

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06-19-2019 , 08:51 PM

Uptophustle

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Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 13

Raise Turn to about 80-90. As played make the call. Only hand that should “correctly” still be there, that beats you is J10dd.

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06-20-2019 , 11:52 AM

SUYAPA

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Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 769

Cbet flop 18-20 with bdfd. Raise bigger ott to like 80-90 You want more money in the pot. In case and action killer comes otr most players wont fold having invested a lot already.
AP crystal clear call with 2nd nuts and how little u have behind.

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06-20-2019 , 04:31 PM

shorn7

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Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,495

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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff

I would c bet flop $15 - this is definitely a flop we should be c betting.

I would make it $80 on the turn.

River is definitely a call.

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06-21-2019 , 04:31 PM

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Joey913

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Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 1,300

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Originally Posted by sixsevenoff

I would c bet flop $15 - this is definitely a flop we should be c betting.

I would make it $80 on the turn.

River is definitely a call.

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06-22-2019 , 02:51 PM

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Spanishmoon

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Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,516

With due respect to the excellent players who’ve suggested a cbet otf, I don’t mind the flop x oop here. If we got re raised we’d be in an awkward spot.

But I definitely agree turn should be overbet at these stack sizes. River is sigh call as obviously a good V should only have JdTd here or we’re chopping. If Heroine lost here I guess it’s a reminder to play RIO hands like T9s very aggressively when we get equity on this turn.

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06-22-2019 , 03:53 PM

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matzah_ball

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Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 2,726

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Originally Posted by Spanishmoon

With due respect to the excellent players who’ve suggested a cbet otf, I don’t mind the flop x oop here. If we got re raised we’d be in an awkward spot.

No we wouldn’t, we’d snap fold.

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06-22-2019 , 05:07 PM

#13

Spanishmoon

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Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,516

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Originally Posted by matzah_ball

No we wouldn’t, we’d snap fold.

Is cbet/fold better than check/call here? Thanks!

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06-23-2019 , 01:57 AM

#14

rockville9

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Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 124

In a live $1/2 game, I'd raise more pre, probably to $20 but whatevs.

Bet flop, you have A hands in your range. Allows to jam turn if you make your hand and be very under-repped.

On turn, jam AI don't mess around making min-raise. Your stack is like $150ish and pot is $130ish before Vil bets. After he bets, this is easy jam. You're losing to one hand. There are plenty of 2pr hands you beat, and if Vil thinks you're weak, there is at least SOME chance he bets with air or something terrible.

As played, sigh call. Never folding here

Last edited by rockville9; 06-23-2019 at 02:10 AM.

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06-23-2019 , 12:26 PM

#15

matzah_ball

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Originally Posted by Spanishmoon

Is cbet/fold better than check/call here? Thanks!

For sure. We can win with a cbet and there are some good turns for us, but we definitely aren’t strong enough to check/call.

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06-24-2019 , 08:04 AM

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donkatruck

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Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,911

I'd call river and not excited about it. I think we chop more than lose more than win. More on turn ($75ish).

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