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08-24-2014 , 08:20 PM
Have been running card dead for 2 hours strait since I sat down. Had 2 hands out of the bb in which I paid off after flopping two pair on both only to get rivered by a higher two pair...**** happens. Anyways my image is SUPER TIGHT.

Started hand with $240. Villian just sat with $200 like 5 hands before this one. No read on him. 1/2 NL

KJ in the SB. folds to villian in MP and he calls $2, followed by 4 other calls to me, I call the $1, BB raises to 10, V calls, C/O calls, I call.

Flop ($46): A 10 6

I check, BB bets $15, V calls, C/O calls, I pop it to $50. BB folds, V tanks for 2 minutes and calls, C/O calls as well.

Turn ($211): 2

I Shove, V tanks for 5 minutes.....calls, C/O has a smirk and folds.

River ($481): 2

He looks at me to turn it over and I reluctantly say you got it and do so and he tables K/10 off...

FML or did I make a bad play here?

After the hand he said I put you on a flush draw. But even so with the guy behind calling off the $50 on the flop. That's either really bad play or a super sick read after 5 hands at the table on 2 guys knowing the C/O was gonna fold after he called my all in.

Last edited by vecchioni27; 08-24-2014 at 08:29 PM.
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08-24-2014 , 08:40 PM
I raise flop bigger.

I probably just check the turn. On this blank, don't think we get two folds often.
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08-24-2014 , 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by matzah_ball
I raise flop bigger.

I probably just check the turn. On this blank, don't think we get two folds often.
I didn't raise the flop. Also the shove on the blank to me looks like I am trying to protect top 2 or a set if you ask me. For him to take my check raise as a flush draw is just crazy if you ask me. Especially for a new player. You just sit down and assume you are making a good call on the first hand you see a Villain play? Yea I am sour, but who wouldn't be! Plus why could't I just hit one of my outs eh!? Had plenty!
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08-24-2014 , 08:53 PM
You did raise the flop.

Raise pre.

Move to this guys left, max re-buy, and lock the doors
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08-24-2014 , 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by jsmo0th10
You did raise the flop.

Raise pre.

Move to this guys left, max re-buy, and lock the doors
You are right, I did lol I read that as pre flop for some reason.

I didn't wanna raise pre being in the SB. I felt that the hand flopped as best as it could if you ask me.

I wish I could of, but I only bring 1 buy in with me as BRM. I walked when the BB got to me. Had $42 left over. Lost $20 of it on the wheel on the way out of the casino...hahaha. I never do that but I said **** it, threw $20 on the $5 spot. Wasn't even a $5 in the area of where it landed! Bad day!
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08-24-2014 , 09:04 PM
Should probably just ship the flop actually. If you get called you have tons of equity, and there's enough money in there to pile it in.
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08-24-2014 , 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by matzah_ball
Should probably just ship the flop actually. If you get called you have tons of equity, and there's enough money in there to pile it in.
I actually thought about that for a second. However I thought as long as the BB folded which he did and told me he had KK after the hand which doesn't matter but I thought for sure the other 2 would fold, aka a squeeze. Overall I really felt good about my play except I thought I could maybe of shipped the flop as stated instead of waiting for the turn.
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08-24-2014 , 09:10 PM
When you check raise the flop you either have a big hand or a draw. Your SB limp/call puts a lot more draws in your range then anything else. Really, your range looks like 66 and lots of flush draws/combo draws. When you get two calls, they think your drawing. You need to give up on turn here, getting two calls suggests somebody has two pair/sets or is blocking your draw.

What you got called by says villain is stationary, but I suspect a lot of good aces would have called. Running into a station is one of the risks of making a move with a draw vs an unknown.
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08-24-2014 , 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by QuadJ
When you check raise the flop you either have a big hand or a draw. Your SB limp/call puts a lot more draws in your range then anything else. Really, your range looks like 66 and lots of flush draws/combo draws. When you get two calls, they think your drawing. You need to give up on turn here, getting two calls suggests somebody has two pair/sets or is blocking your draw.

What you got called by says villain is stationary, but I suspect a lot of good aces would have called. Running into a station is one of the risks of making a move with a draw vs an unknown.
Very valid point. Thank you for the other side of things. This is what I was looking for. Giving up on the turn probably is the right move after being called by both. Man, I suck. lol
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08-24-2014 , 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by vecchioni27
You are right, I did lol I read that as pre flop for some reason.

I didn't wanna raise pre being in the SB. I felt that the hand flopped as best as it could if you ask me.

I wish I could of, but I only bring 1 buy in with me as BRM. I walked when the BB got to me. Had $42 left over. Lost $20 of it on the wheel on the way out of the casino...hahaha. I never do that but I said **** it, threw $20 on the $5 spot. Wasn't even a $5 in the area of where it landed! Bad day!
bringing 1 buy-in to a game is stupid. what if you sit down at an AMAZINGLY JUICY game, but get coolered for your only stack? always bring 3-4, you never know when you'll find the game of your life. always expect to get unlucky one time; it's why donks and fish are still in this business.
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08-24-2014 , 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by vecchioni27
Have been running card dead for 2 hours strait since I sat down. Had 2 hands out of the bb in which I paid off after flopping two pair on both only to get rivered by a higher two pair...**** happens. Anyways my image is SUPER TIGHT.

Started hand with $240. Villian just sat with $200 like 5 hands before this one. No read on him. 1/2 NL

KJ in the SB. folds to villian in MP and he calls $2, followed by 4 other calls to me, I call the $1, BB raises to 10, V calls, C/O calls, I call.

Flop ($46): A 10 6

I check, BB bets $15, V calls, C/O calls, I pop it to $50. BB folds, V tanks for 2 minutes and calls, C/O calls as well.

Turn ($211): 2

I Shove, V tanks for 5 minutes.....calls, C/O has a smirk and folds.

River ($481): 2

He looks at me to turn it over and I reluctantly say you got it and do so and he tables K/10 off...

FML or did I make a bad play here?

After the hand he said I put you on a flush draw. But even so with the guy behind calling off the $50 on the flop. That's either really bad play or a super sick read after 5 hands at the table on 2 guys knowing the C/O was gonna fold after he called my all in.
Preflop: If 4 limp, esp in LP behind one another, i'm pretty certain your hand beats a ton of their range; raise preflop to 18-20.00

Flop: you just flopped a monster hand, Bet 3B all in. play it like you would play the nuts. c/c defines that you have a draw, which you do. c/r screams the nuts, or complete airball, and now we've turned our hand into a bluff. clearly you're not going to turn up the nuts here 9/10 because AA and TT usually show aggression pre (you didn't). The only nut hand you rep is 66 and AT, and you want to do that by Bet, 3B all in.

Turn: you bricked and got called by 2 people. you're oop. pot is 211.00 and you have around 180.00 behind you right? I don't think any naked ace is folding ever. I also doubt both villians have FE given their range (probably not draws).

River: Don't tell us the river because your line check was for the turn. And don't tell us the results til later.
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08-24-2014 , 10:40 PM
Im tempted to fold pre to the $10 raise. It seems like a good price and pretty cards, but what youve got there is a dominated suited connector. Not a great hand oop in a raised pot.

Im probably emptying the clip here too. Flop c/r should be bigger, maybe 65-70. Unless I pick up a tell on the callers im shoving turn. Lol at him having KT. Get position on this guy asap.
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08-25-2014 , 12:48 AM
Please ignore some of the advice you are getting in this thread. It's very bad.

Yes, that call is pretty sick. Not supersick, because, obviously, if his read was that good, he would have snap called.

The only weaknesses I see with you are line are

1) the CR is so weak that it looks like exactly what it is, a decent draw. after you call the 15 OTF, the pot is about 105, and then you are raising it 35 more. So the V behind you only has to call 35 into a pot that will be 175 after he calls.

If you really had AT, A6, 66, you would make it like 85, and blow everyone off of their flush draws and weak aces.

2)the shove is not terrible, but it would have looked so much stronger to bet 105 OTT. It doesn't matter if you bet 85, 105, or shove on the turn, because you are stack committed to the hand anyway, so why not make a bet that looks superstrong. 90 looks much stronger than a shove. So when you bet 90 and you only have 90 left, it looks to the V like you are making a river shoe inevitable, so now he is going to have to call off his remaining stack, (140) with second pair to the board. If your rep is as clean as you say it is, he is much more likely to fold.
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08-25-2014 , 12:15 PM
Semi-grunch:

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Originally Posted by vecchioni27
Have been running card dead for 2 hours strait since I sat down. Had 2 hands out of the bb in which I paid off after flopping two pair on both only to get rivered by a higher two pair...**** happens. Anyways my image is SUPER TIGHT.
I don't think you understand the way fish view people's image. They don't look at the way you've been playing and say "He only puts money in with 2 pair or better." Instead they look at the fact that you lost both hands and say, "He's losing." In other words, tight or loose doesn't play a part in your image. You have a LOSING image, not a tight image.

When you have a losing image, your bluffs are all almost automatically spew.

Also, agreed with others that you should raise preflop.
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08-25-2014 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by L1V1NG1NF3AR
Preflop: If 4 limp, esp in LP behind one another, i'm pretty certain your hand beats a ton of their range; raise preflop to 18-20.00

Flop: you just flopped a monster hand, Bet 3B all in. play it like you would play the nuts. c/c defines that you have a draw, which you do. c/r screams the nuts, or complete airball, and now we've turned our hand into a bluff. clearly you're not going to turn up the nuts here 9/10 because AA and TT usually show aggression pre (you didn't). The only nut hand you rep is 66 and AT, and you want to do that by Bet, 3B all in.

Turn: you bricked and got called by 2 people. you're oop. pot is 211.00 and you have around 180.00 behind you right? I don't think any naked ace is folding ever. I also doubt both villians have FE given their range (probably not draws).

River: Don't tell us the river because your line check was for the turn. And don't tell us the results til later.
nailed it.
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08-27-2014 , 03:09 PM
This is all great advice, I am not at all ever offended by anything someone says about my game. I know I am not perfect, or else I wouldn't even be here if I thought I was! I'd be broke someone in a ditch! haha. Anyways I like the idea of not shoving the turn with the line I DID take on the flop and pre. I should of bet with the intent I was playing for stacks instead of just shoving it in. Looks a lot stronger and with the way he tanked, fish or not, maybe he would of assumed the same thing and folded. Thanks for the advice everyone and keep it coming as I post more!
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