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9 handed table.

Hero (CO): $220
Villain (Early): ~$300

5 3 clubs

7 people limp.

Flop 8 6 5, 2 clubs

Checked to villain who bets $20
Folds to Hero who raises $60
Folds to Villain who goes all in.
I call.

Thoughts?

Fold or raise pre. Any reads on V? On you?

Raise on flop is interesting, now fold.

I pretty much dislike the whole hand (except the raise on the flop, but you shouldn't be here as is).

Preflop is thin. You not deep and have a very weak suited one gapper. You should be folding more then calling but the occasional call is OK if the table is passive enough that you don't expect a raise.

The raise on the flop is aggressive but OK as long as villain isn't stationary. When villain shoves you have to let it go unless villain is really bad. The board allows for flopped straights so he isn't likely to shove a single pair and against a strong range your not getting odds to call.

no reads necessary

sooted!

Preflop im folding 53s unless i can iso a V that i know will call pre and then fold too much.

This hand is pretty much a total bluff and i don't think limping with 7 other players is going to be +EV.

Flop raise is again a total bluff. Doubt Vs shove is a semi-bluff. but even if it is, unless V has 4c2c, you have the worst possible flush draw. You don't have pot-odds to call the shove.

Would have let this one go pre-flop. Don't like the flop raise unless you know that villain will bet-fold too much. Against 7 other players, he is probably not leading this with worse than a pair of 5s.

Grunch.

Everything in this hand is pretty marginal IMO. The pot has been limped, so when you get 3bet OTF your hand REALLY shrinks. It's not like this guy raised pre-flop and not his range is mostly over pairs or something. The pot was limped, so his range will be mostly sets/straights and two pairs. Against over pairs you have got great equity and can be happy to GII, but when he's got a set or straight, you are simply drawing to a 5 high flush. With that said... you may have made your bed already.

Pot is $21 + $60 + $220 = ~$300 and it's $160 to call? 300:160 = ~1.875:1

With only 9 flush outs, you've got like ~35% equity. 65:35 = ~1.857:1

So looks like calling is right around break even.

I hate saying this but:

Fold pre.
Fold flop.

(Calling pre you're hoping to flop gin. You didn't, you don't even have a strong draw. Raising and calling the shove is pretty spew.)

/thread

You would have been better off raising preflop with 53 than calling. Better yet fold. Villains range is extremely wide and his postflop bet and reraise says that he hit that flop harder than you did. What the **** you were doing, IDK. Stop it.

Fold pre.

Flop raise is meh. But probably bad with no reads.
Pretty sure you have to call it off now.
It is $160 more to call, with $300 in the pot.

Edit:
Meh, actually, it is likely a fold. His range is straights and sets mostly. And we aren't doing that well vs sets. It's pretty close, and you put your self in a bad spot with pre flop. So whatever you do now, just know that you already made a mistake, learn from it and then gamble as you wish now.

Fold pre, fold flop.

I don't think there's even a possible scenario in which limping 53s preflop is okay. I'm trying to think of what the "best" time to limp it is and I just can't. Do we want deeper stacks? Probably not actually since it's a RIO hand. Do we want more limpers? I'd think not because the more players we're against the more often we are crushed by better pairs and better draws.

Most people's instinct would be "more limpers and deeper stacks make weaker hands more playable" but it's really the opposite.

If I absolutely had to limp 53s I'd want to be on the button after everyone had folded to me, and at that point why not just raise? Not that I'd want to do that either.

Thanks for the input guys! It has really helped.

Very bad IMO. Fold pre, fold flop. Find a better spot to put all of your chips in.