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06-24-2015 , 02:23 PM
Had worst poker day ever yesterday, and hoping to get advice on where I am going wrong.
I am playing 1/2 at parx casino in PA. All of the following took place in the early afternoon at one table. In total I lost around $650.

Hand 1:
H has $285 left out of $300 max BI. 2 or 3 players limp H r to 15 with AQo in LP, 2 limpers call
Pot $50
F: QsJh8c ck ck H r $35, V1 calls, V2 folds
Pot $120
T: 8h V ck H bets $55, V r $110, H tanks then shoves remaining $180
(V calls with his remaining $110 and has 98o)

H down to $15 and buys back in for $300

Hand 2:
SS V has $70 and is on second short BI
V r $14 in EP H in MP with AQo r $60, folds to V who shoves
(V has 98s hits 2pair and wins)

H puts in extra $15 and now has $245

Hand 3:
H r in EP to $10 with As4s V1 from hand 1 calls V2 from hand 2 is down to $21 and shoves, I call
V1 r to $41, H call.
Pot $106, Main Pot $66, Side Pot $40
F: 348ddh V1 bets $50 H calls
Pot $206 Main Pot $66, Side Pot $140
T: Kd V1 cks H has $155 behind debates shoving to represent a made flush but decides to ck
R: 5c V1 cks H bets $65, V1 c and shows 77 V2 has nothing

H down to $90, Tops Off to $180
H wins small pot and is at $190

Hand 4:
H r in MP to $15 with KK and 2 limpers. 1 limper c (V1 from hand 1 and hand 3), 1 limper f, player to H's immediate left c. (we will call him V2)
Pot $50
F: 4c7s8s V1 bets $20, H c, V2 r $70, V1 c, H all in for $155 more, V1 and V2 c
V2 had $175 PF and V1 had around $200
(V1 had JJ and so H won Side Pot of $30, V2 had 44 and so won the Main Pot of $525)
06-24-2015 , 02:31 PM
Some of this is hard to comment on w/o reads on Villains. The fact that those aren't included suggests you're likely not developing & using them as much as you should.

Hand 3, just fold pre. At a loose table when we're not deep and there are some short stacks at the table, raising A4s in EP is lighting money on fire. Even when we don't get 3b, without 2 pair+ we're never happy to stack off postflop, and we'll be multiway pretty often, which makes cbetting air not really an option.
06-24-2015 , 02:37 PM
H1: check back turn, fold to min-raise
H2: Fine
H3: Fold pre w/ shorty behind
H4: Fine, but I would have raised the first bet (cooler)
06-24-2015 , 02:48 PM
Hand 1: The min raise is a bad sign. Your hand is too good to fold without some history. Just call though and try to get to a cheap show down. You can fold river if villain shoves.

Hand 2: If villain is shoving that wide then this is fine. If villain was a nit then don't raise preflop.

Hand 3: Should have folded to begin with and it's a trivial fold when raised. A-rag suited simply doesn't play well enough OOP.

Hand 4: Raise the flop $20 yourself and fold when somebody shoves over that. Preflop probably isn't big enough but that varies widely.
06-24-2015 , 02:50 PM
Take out the results if you can still edit the OP.

H1: b/f the turn.
H2: fine.
H3: Meh... fold flop.
H4: fine.
06-24-2015 , 02:55 PM
Hand 1 - b/f turn, he's not c/r turn with worse
Hand 2 - fine
Hand 3 - re-raise pre to force out the other V's. As played, fold the flop
Hand 4 - seems fine but I don't hate folding this flop with a bet and then a raise after you call, your equity probably isn't great.
06-24-2015 , 03:31 PM
Shoving the turn in hand 1 is pretty bad. He can have a ton of hands that are beating you. This hand is the biggest mistake, you got in $200+ pretty bad here.

Hand 2, you know you got it in good.

Hand 3...I suspect you shouldn't be raising this pre in EP. As played, you really cannot call pre...you need to decide if raising to fold out the other callers or folding is more +EV. As played, people generally aren't bluffing here that often, you can pretty safely fold.

Hand 4 seems ok, but I'd probably raise to set up a turn shove.
06-24-2015 , 04:03 PM
I've been consistently playing about 12-15 days per month and I'd say I have at least 1-2 sessions like this every month, plus another 1-3 sessions that start out like this that I am able to buckle down and grind back to a profit. I've gotten used to them (I think?) but they still suck, are demoralizing, leave me cursing poker and wondering why I wasted my night at the poker room when I could be out chasing college tail, etc.

But if dgi (where has he been lately?) says poker is all about reciprocity, then if you can deal with the runbad and negative variance better than your opponents you are already capturing +EV along the way, even if you don't recognize it. Maybe a V just makes a loose limp/call and check/folds the flop to your c-bet bluff because he was tilted from the hand before, stuff like that adds up over time.
06-24-2015 , 04:07 PM
Hand 2 is a wash, you were ahead by a little, but not uncommon to lose.

Hand 3 makes no sense for you to be so sticky. If you're going to bluff the hand then start taking a strong line earlier and I'm talking about preflop btw or just play fit or fold, the primary reason you should ever be playing A4s is to over flush someone for their whole stack or to take initiative and put pressure on someone. The reason the bluff works more often when you start earlier is the implication of further bets, people fold more because they know they don't want to keep calling. Otr his call closes the action, and he knows you never would've played a king that way.

I'm going to continue on this hand because the others are easier to remedy and are less common so they'll make you mean less, but honestly you need to consider not playing hands like A4s, and this is harsh, but I don't mean everyone, I'm saying from the descriptions you put down, you. It's a big leak being sticky w weak pairs and being tempted to make bluff lines that make no sense. This type of play will either get you stuck in games and get you on tilt, or let you suck out reenforcing poor fundamentals. Take my advise and stick to big hands, for a little while. Your win rate will improve and your variance will decrease by miles.

With all that said the other two hands are just a matter of being a little too sticky on coordinated boards. Just remember that lower stakes players do not bluff very often, when they start putting in raises (small or big) post flop they can almost always best one pair hands, it doesn't matter of you have AA or AK w a king on board. I guarantee you that if every time you had any one pair hand and folded to a post flop RAISE you would be ahead as long as people did not know you were doing it. Read that again. It's true. Obviously every once in a you HAVE to call because you have pot odds; but let me reword maybe. If you have less than 1/4 of your stack in and someone raises post flop and you only have one pair, fold. You'll make money. You can make adjustments later to aggresive players and being ahead of their range, but probably 80% of 1/2 players always want their post flop raises called by 1 pair, watch out for it if you don't believe me. They don't raise often and when they do they're stronger than 1 pair

Good luck man, not trying to be harsh; but it pays to be hard on yourself for a little bit. If you are then things will turn around and give you time to learn and grow.

Last edited by sungar78; 06-24-2015 at 04:12 PM.
06-24-2015 , 05:11 PM
H1 - bet / fold turn would be my std play. Against some villains some of the time I chk back and either call a small bet, fold or value bet river when chks to obv depending on the river card.

H2 - fairly standard.

H3 - generally Ace little suited is not in my EP range. As played, I don't understand our tiny river bet. Either take a showdown or turn it into a stronger bluff if we think we are ahead of the all in guy but unsure of v1 who might be ahead but weak. Our small bet here seems pointless as it's rarely getting value from worse or getting better to fold.

H4 - I'd be raising v1's donk lead fairly often. But under 100 bb deep we are stacking off a lot of the time regardless on a wet board.

I will say that back raise shoving over this substantial action almost feels like we are over playing our KK.

Similarly in H1 we bet less than 1/2 pot then 3! Jammed our AQ. I'm curious what your thought process was in both these spots... The first action <1/2 pot bet with the AQ and flatting with KK on the wet board then the second action responding to villain aggression with a shove.

H4 was destined to be a difficult spot though.
06-24-2015 , 05:22 PM
No results and one hand to a post next time, please, OP.

I think TTHRIC and you got the basic feedback you needed. You need to be willing to fold more, is what it comes down to.

Last edited by Garick; 06-24-2015 at 05:38 PM. Reason: Not quite BBV, but question answered
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