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12-14-2017 , 09:57 AM

tdammon

adept

Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 707

$1/2 live 9 handed

Hero ($350) in HJ with Ac 9c

fold to Hero, Hero bet $8, Button ($500) call, SB fold, BB ($125) call

(Pot $25) Flop Jc 7d 4s
SB check, Hero bet $15, Button call, SB fold

(Pot $55) Turn 3c
Hero bet $35, Button call

(Pot $125) River 3h
Hero ??

Should I be triple barreling my bdfds when the turn is a flush card. It seems pretty likely he has a J here and won't fold. Should I be c/c turn?

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12-14-2017 , 11:00 AM

bhtong

centurion

Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 137

I do prefer a c/c, but as played you are fine, you are semi-bluffing the turn. I think if you do semi-bluff on the turn should be larger, so that you can realize some fold equity.

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12-14-2017 , 11:11 AM

QuadJ

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 6,231

Needs more information on villain. Depending on villain's play and range turn and river could both be bets or checks. Some idea of hero's image also makes a difference.

In general turn barrel more often then not is fine when you pick up equity. On river give up more then bluff.

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12-14-2017 , 01:45 PM

SwolyswoND

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 1,976

River is a c/f. Absent some kind of history/read on V, this is a great runout for V's Jx holdings, which is most of his value range. He isn't likely to fold it.

Axcc is probably our worst river bluffing holding - we want V to have all the Ace-high flush draws in his range.

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12-14-2017 , 02:24 PM

donbarzini

enthusiast

Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 73

Flop and turn are fine. 35 is perfect to clear out a lot of hands you are behind.

I hate a check on the turn. When 1 opponent floats us like this, I'm looking for any excuse to barrel the turn.... A,K,Q,9, or any club will do.

River is c/f.

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12-14-2017 , 05:09 PM

tdammon

adept

Join Date: Sep 2015 Posts: 707

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Originally Posted by SwolyswoND

we want V to have all the Ace-high flush draws in his range.

Will he ever really have an A high flush draw here? He would have to float with back doors. If he has a pair and turns a flush draw he probably raises. It's hard to find many bluff hands here for the river but maybe it's a spot to just give up on a low stakes live table.

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12-14-2017 , 06:39 PM

SwolyswoND

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 1,976

That kind of misses the point. If we're going to bluff the river, we want Villain to have as many combos as possible of hands that would get to the river this way but won't call a river bet. Sure, V won't always get to the river when he holds Axcc, but he will certainly do so more frequently than zero (which is the case when we block those hands). So when we're picking our hands to bluff with on this river, having Axcc is pretty much the worst thing we could hold.

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12-15-2017 , 10:46 AM

johnnyBuz

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 7,563

Size up turn and x/f river. Board is completely static and villain shows no interest in folding.

I might triple barrel T

if I was determined to find some river bluff combos.

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12-16-2017 , 04:42 PM

BackDoorFlush

veteran

Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 2,171

C/f river. The 3x on the river is one of the worst possible cards to bluff at.

C-betting the flop is pretty meh in a 1/2 game.

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