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Old 01-29-2014, 02:53 AM   #1
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Back to back AA vs. same villian.

1/2 NL standard casino game full of passive regs.
Effective stacks are ~$200 ish

First AA hand helps provide info for second AA hand in question :

On about the 3rd hand of the session I am dealt AA. Villian one to my right limps UTG. Hero raises to $10 and only Villian calls.

Flop = AJx 2 hearts
Villian donk bets $10.

Hero raises to $20.
Turn is blank.
Villian again donks bets and again hero raises.
River = Kh and villian ship for like his last $60 and hero snap call and beats AK.

Very next hand Hero is dealt AdAs. Again very similar situation and is heads up with same villian.

Flop Q44 two clubs.
Villian again donk bets this time to $15
And again hero raises to $40.
Villian calls

Turn is x clubs. And villian bets $50
Hero calls.

River is a blank and villlian again bets last $60 ish or whatever and hero calls again.

OK..so based on first hand can we put him on a flush here just as easily as a Q?

I felt he could just as much have a Q here based on how he played the first hand. Althought his bigger bet sizing on the turn made me wonder...Line check please and was sizing too small on turn? I kinda want a Q to call but not a flush draw so IDK.

Thoughts?

Sorry if some the the details are fuzzy I dont know how you guys remember every suit and every amount of every bet.
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Old 01-29-2014, 03:24 AM   #2
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Re: Back to back AA vs. same villian.

If you are a serious player you SHOULD remember every relevant suit and every bet. It's one of the many things that separate the pros from amateurs.
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Old 01-29-2014, 04:35 AM   #3
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Re: Back to back AA vs. same villian.

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Very next hand Hero is dealt AdAs. Again very similar situation and is heads up with same villian.

Flop Q44 two clubs.
Villian again donk bets this time to $15
And again hero raises to $40.
Villian calls

Turn is x clubs. And villian bets $50
Hero calls.

River is a blank and villlian again bets last $60 ish or whatever and hero calls again.

OK..so based on first hand can we put him on a flush here just as easily as a Q?

I felt he could just as much have a Q here based on how he played the first hand. Althought his bigger bet sizing on the turn made me wonder...Line check please and was sizing too small on turn? I kinda want a Q to call but not a flush draw so IDK.

Thoughts?

Sorry if some the the details are fuzzy I dont know how you guys remember every suit and every amount of every bet.
How much did you raise preflop?

Also, do you have the A that is an important card in terms of reading V's potential hands.

And yes, it is helpful to know exactly what the cards are. If the turn was a 7 that is different than if it was a J. That is, QJ would be in villain's range (depending on your preflop raise sizing) and thus he could bet turn since he picked up top two pair.. Also, depending on if you have the A or not the turn card may or may not decrease the playable combos of flush draws we need to worry about.

But on the whole, in these spots, if you can range V for Qx hands, then you more or less have to call.

Winning poker is not about soul reading villains for exactly two cards, but rather putting your villains on ranges and playing against that range.

Lastly, raising $10 with AA is way too low. You can often raise a lot more in 1/2nl.
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Old 01-29-2014, 07:18 AM   #4
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Old 01-29-2014, 07:53 AM   #5
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Re: Back to back AA vs. same villian.

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I dont know how you guys remember every suit and every amount of every bet.
Make a note on your phone after the hand. Presto!
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Old 01-29-2014, 08:25 AM   #6
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Re: Back to back AA vs. same villian.

You aren't going to get a lot of comments with posts like this ..

I see nothing in the different sized Flop bets from V other than the board was paired in the 2nd hand and maybe he felt more comfortable with Qx44Q.

If you are going to call 'any' River in 2nd hand, then you need to shove Turn to force him to put it in there. You are either behind flush or 4x (unlikely) or you make him put the money in before he hits his 4-flush.

The only other issue would be to just call down Flop with paired board, but I don't think he realy has a 4x very often so raising Flop in hand #2 is fine as well. GL
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Old 01-29-2014, 04:51 PM   #7
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Re: Back to back AA vs. same villian.

Well normally I remember important details, but my main question was based on my read on villian am I ever getting away from AA on second hand? Villian obviously loves to bet into any flop or board texture that improves his hand in some way. And while his bet was bigger on the turn in hand 2 - I still wonder if he would play Qx as strong unless it was AQ or KQ...but plenty of flush combos in there too. No I didn't have Ac and turn card for a small club...
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