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Awkward stack size on the River.... Awkward stack size on the River....

08-04-2017 , 06:18 AM
1/2 NL Jack Casino Cincinnati

Hero = MAWG $500 stack. Showing down very little and playing pretty TAG to this point.

Villain = 25 year old white guy. Baseball cap. Just moved from broken table and starts hand with $200.

EP limper to Hero in MP with K J raises to $8.
Button calls.
Villain calls in SB. EP limper calls.

Flop ($34) J 43

Checked to Hero who bets $15.
Button folds.
Villain in SB calls.
EP limp/caller folds.

Turn ($64) 6
V in SB checks.
Hero bets $35.
V calls.

River ($134) 3
V in SB checks.
Hero????

Villain has around $140 left. Looking for a good sizing here. I am targeting 6x and weaker Jx which is a good portion of his range based on the way the hand has played out. Based on this, a jam is unlikely to be the best option IMO.

Sizing?
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08-04-2017 , 08:48 AM
Around 50-60 will make it tempting to call with weaker J and pairs. Not sure if we could push it even more into the 70/80 range and still get a call.

I think I would make my pre raise bigger tho, somewhere around 12-15.


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08-04-2017 , 09:27 AM
I would bet more on the flop. $20-$25 based on board texture. As played, $50 on river.
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08-04-2017 , 10:02 AM
He's either got a missed draw or a jack, just make it 50. Really unlikely he's gonna hero with ace-high if you make it something small so we can only target his Jx. Think putting him on a 6 here just because it hit the turn is sort of silly also.

You've also got some sizing issues with both pre and flop.
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08-04-2017 , 10:46 AM
OP,are you prepared to b/f?
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08-04-2017 , 10:53 AM
I would have gone a little bigger pre, flop, and turn.

As played, $75 on the river.
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08-04-2017 , 12:12 PM
Well, we beat QJ and hearts whiffed so i think we have to check it back here
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08-04-2017 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JB Clark
Well, we beat QJ and hearts whiffed so i think we have to check it back here
huh?
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08-04-2017 , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JB Clark
Well, we beat QJ and hearts whiffed so i think we have to check it back here
what?
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08-04-2017 , 12:20 PM
$35/call.
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08-04-2017 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by p566
OP,are you prepared to b/f?
This was exactly what I was thinking about in the moment. The sizing is so awkward that if I bet $70 (for example) and he jams, there is no way I can fold.

I was considering checking simply because I didn't want to be in a spot of having to bet/fold here.
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08-04-2017 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by teddyrowe9
I would have gone a little bigger pre, flop, and turn.

As played, $75 on the river.
Experimenting with smaller sizing pre and post based on a book I read from Jonathan Little.
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08-04-2017 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by paratrooper99
This was exactly what I was thinking about in the moment. The sizing is so awkward that if I bet $70 (for example) and he jams, there is no way I can fold.

I was considering checking simply because I didn't want to be in a spot of having to bet/fold here.
when you size at $70 no one is bluff raising you so you end up freerolling the hands that beat you on river. If you size down you get calls from 6x and more spazz bluff shoves than you would figure.
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08-04-2017 , 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by nwolfe
He's either got a missed draw or a jack, just make it 50. Really unlikely he's gonna hero with ace-high if you make it something small so we can only target his Jx. Think putting him on a 6 here just because it hit the turn is sort of silly also.
I think that his flop and turn calling range is 5x and 6x heavy. (ex. 56, 67, 62). Pair plus straight draws are def calling two streets. I don't see how this is silly at all. It would include a decent percentage of his range with showdown value considering I could have missed hearts too.

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Originally Posted by nwolfe
You've also got some sizing issues with both pre and flop
I am experimenting with a different sizing. Can you explain why you would size higher?
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08-04-2017 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by CookbytheBook
when you size at $70 no one is bluff raising you so you end up freerolling the hands that beat you on river. If you size down you get calls from 6x and more spazz bluff shoves than you would figure.
So, are you bet/folding $70 or bet/calling?
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08-04-2017 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by paratrooper99
So, are you bet/folding $70 or bet/calling?
Bet $35/call.
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08-04-2017 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by paratrooper99
I am experimenting with a different sizing. Can you explain why you would size higher?
Bigger pre because this isn't a hand we want to go 4 ways. It's got some rio problems re: top pair and flush draw. It's actually a significantly better result if we only even narrow down to 3-ways.


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600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Equity Wins Ties
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* 21.04% 119,829 14,176
* 20.99% 119,612 14,031
* 21.14% 120,543 13,975

Bigger on flop seems standard--nobody is folding a draw or a jack, and we want to get value from both.

River is a mandatory bet imo. Not even really that thin.
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08-04-2017 , 01:21 PM
i would bet like $70. QJs/JTs/J9s are all reasonable hands. hands like 77-TT are very reasonable from the SB and villains love to "put you on AK."

i disagree that no one will ever bluff shove over a 1/2 PSB on the river. not saying that it happens often, but it def happens. i most likely call a shove on river though... run out was too good and we don't block hearts.
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08-05-2017 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by nwolfe
It's actually a significantly better result if we only even narrow down to 3-ways.


Hold'em Simulation ?
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Equity Wins Ties
KcJc 45.93% 268,856 14,626
* 26.98% 155,507 13,953
* 27.08% 156,048 14,085
Edit · Link · 2+2 · Deuces Cracked · LeggoPoker
Hold'em Simulation ?
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Equity Wins Ties
KcJc 36.83% 214,283 14,848
* 21.04% 119,829 14,176
* 20.99% 119,612 14,031
* 21.14% 120,543 13,975
You do realize that our EV is higher in the second scenario you posted (the 4 player one), right?
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