im just wondering, what is the bottom of your range that you're isoing here? i iso here with JTs or JTo everytime there is a limper or two. is JT too loose?

edit: what does tweener mean?

"JTo is just a speculative hand isn't it?"

Yes and no.

I would iso raise with JT at button if the limper is at the minimum 100bb deep n I have good fold/steal equity against.

I m never iso raising with JT against a relatively unknown 70bb here. If the limper is such a drooler, as in he always fold post flop, then I raise smaller preflop. If limper is a huge calling station, I limped in with JT

We look at this hand from another angle:

Hero limp in, BB check and we got to flop:

Pot $7, effective stack $140 thereabout. SPR = 20 giving a JT hand more than enough space to outplay villain post flop with position.

Compare to the actual hand where hero iso raise:

Pot $25 thereabout, effective stack size $130 thereabout. SPR = 5! How much fold equity do we have assuming we miss and an inexperience villain had 88? It is eorse if we consider the hero's image?

OP was lucky in this hand as he flop TP and villain decides to get funny here. But majority of the time? Hero will get owned by this specific villain who will shove when hero cbet!

As such, I would consider the preflop raise as a spew since villain is not deep enough to sufficiently reward the play of isolating villain

This sentence does not make logical sense.


Edit: Let's be honest about "outplaying". OP (and many people) playing 1/2 are not going to outplay people. That's not the point of 1/2. The point of 1/2 is to make a hand and extract the maximum out of it (ironically, that's the point of poker, but at higher levels, you're going to have to outplay people to do so).

Why not?
U can argue by saying that since he always fold post flop, why not we get more money in preflop n earn more profits?

Yes n no.

By raising bigger, if villain is short stacked, he will often find himself pot committed subconsciously n call more lightly.

But if he is deeper (by raising smaller) he has to consider the amount of money he has behind that might not able able to withstand triple barrel n he feel less committed to calling a shove or big bets.

Do not underestimate the effect of raising 4x vs a 6x raise. It makes a huge difference post flop

UTG he might certainly limp-call with KJ, QJ, and AJ. Also A3s.

Exactly correct. And those Level 1 herp-derp villains are not so rare. Tweener bets are good against them.

He might limp/call with QJ+ but would he c/r the turn with those hands?

Given the weakness of my second barrel, yes.

Competent players notice. 20% of the people I play with know I raise light in position. This is 1/2, but even the players that notice rarely play back at me. I don't really have bet sizing tells.

No, he's repping a 3 or a full house. He could also have QQ some of the time. His line makes no sense. This was a "I think I have the best hand so I'll raise" type of hand.

I don't know why people keep saying this. This guy OUTPLAYED ME. He sensed my weakness, whether it was TT, some kind of overcard whiff that had six outs, or precisely the hand I had. He made an excellent move, and although it made little sense my weakness was such that I had to fold or shove. Shoving just about never crossed my mind, because -- as he saw -- I was distracted by the painful weakness of my made hand.

OTOH I don't know why he showed except perhaps he was just pleased with himself.

To be honest, he didn't make an excellent move. He made an awful move and it happened to work out for him.

It's like basketball, just because you make a ridiculous shot that you shouldn't be taking, that doesn't mean the shot was good.

Makeit, I'm pretty sure you're wrong. Look again at what he saw in my bet-sizing. Do you want him to just call down in that spot given what I'm projecting? Do you expect him to let me draw to my overcards? Explain why his move was awful.

Because why would he c/r the turn if he has QJ/KJ/AJ if you're folding all jacks and continuing with anything better? You have 3-6 outs if you have AQ/AK and if you have only 3 outs, and you hit, and he has KJ and you have AK, he's going to get another bet out of you at the very least.

Also, you almost never have AQ/AK here on the turn. Honestly, your range here for value/protection is medium pocket pairs, sets, Jx, and QQ+. Everything else is air.