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01-19-2021 , 09:05 AM
3-5 spread limit, 600 max bet. Villain is MAWG, complete unknown, 1400 effective, 7 handed.

Hero UTG with AcTc.

Pre: Hero raise to 20, Villain calls in LJ, heads up

Flop (48) : AhQc8d
Hero 20, V calls

Turn (88) : 8c (my bdnfd)
Hero..
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01-19-2021 , 09:43 AM
Both bet $40-$50 and check are fine with about a 50/50 mix. There is a reasonable chance you have the best hand and turn added a nut draw so you should be willing to continue aggression here.

The checks are aiming for a bet/check/bet line. If you get called again on this board your chance of having the best hand goes way down but if villain checks behind you can get called by worse on the river. It has the added bonus of avoiding getting raised. Against an unknown you don't have any sense of how many bluffs villain might have or how much you should be willing to pay to chase your draw.
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01-19-2021 , 09:52 AM
Bet $40.

Might be chopping now, but with an A-high flush potential, I'd start building a pot. Maybe a suited QX will call another reasonable bet size.
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01-19-2021 , 09:54 AM
Vbet 60+ ott for value. With ur flop sizing ur getting called by pretty much any gutshot, any pair, any ace, any low ace with a bdfd, don't really see what the spot is.
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01-19-2021 , 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by DeNdReTiC
Vbet 60+ ott for value. With ur flop sizing ur getting called by pretty much any gutshot, any pair, any ace, any low ace with a bdfd, don't really see what the spot is.
Agree, pretty clear and good double barrell spot for value.
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01-19-2021 , 01:54 PM
So far, so good. I might go slightly higher on flop, but I rarely be less than half pot, although I know it's the "in" thing to do.

Turn I go $50 to $60.

If he raises a decent amount, I fold and don't like it, but can't continue against an unknown.
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01-19-2021 , 10:01 PM
Bet slightly bigger on the flop. You're not gonna fold out worst Ax, a Qx, JT part of villain range if you bet 30-35

Turn is a bet around half pot.

Were not going for 3 streets in this spot. 8 is a good and a bad card. Its bad because all worst Ax were now chopping with including the one Ax combo we were behing (AJ). Its a good card because it reduces villains set combos (now quads) to one.

Villain is unknown so its hard to assume how wide he will call turn. So my default is a bet on the turn and decide river.

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01-19-2021 , 10:11 PM
If you only want to go for two streets, doesn’t checking turn make more sense? This lets either go bet/check/bet, or (if he bets turn) call turn and evaluate river. If we don’t feel strong enough to go for three streets, I don’t like the bet flop/bet turn/check river line OOP since most people will stab when it looks like we give up river.
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01-19-2021 , 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by sdfsgf
If you only want to go for two streets, doesn’t checking turn make more sense? This lets either go bet/check/bet, or (if he bets turn) call turn and evaluate river. If we don’t feel strong enough to go for three streets, I don’t like the bet flop/bet turn/check river line OOP since most people will stab when it looks like we give up river.
IP i can get behind the idea of a check and go for the 2nd street of value on the river.


Reasons to continue betting
- We're OOP and picked up bd equity, let's continue to build a pot.
- Plus villain could have a wide range since the flop cbet was small. If we bet half pot, we should expect a call from villain with 99-JJ, Qx, JT, and maybe even KJ, T9 some % of the time. What I don't want to do is give a free card.

And let me clarify that let's go for two streets when we don't hit our flush on the river.
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01-20-2021 , 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by sdfsgf
If you only want to go for two streets, doesn’t checking turn make more sense? This lets either go bet/check/bet, or (if he bets turn) call turn and evaluate river. If we don’t feel strong enough to go for three streets, I don’t like the bet flop/bet turn/check river line OOP since most people will stab when it looks like we give up river.
Unless, we have a specific read, I agree that this hand is usually a 2-streeter. If the turn didn't give us additional equity, I might X turn, eval river. However, with TP/FD, I'm value betting.
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