9-handed ring 2/5NL with $650 effective stacks.

Preflop action
UTG: Folds
UTG+1: Limp
UTG+2: Folds
UTG+3: Folds
HJ (Villain 1): Limp
CO: Limp
Hero (Button): Limp with AsTs
SB: Calls
BB (V2): Check

V1 is solid, relatively aggressive regular.
V2 seems solid, but not much experience with him.

Pot is ~$24 after rake

Flop = Tc 7s 2s (so I flop TPTK + nut flush draw)

Checks to V1 who bets $20
CO: Calls
Hero: Calls
SB: Calls
V2/BB: Makes it $80
UTG+!: Folds
V1: Makes it $195
CO: Folds
Hero: ???

Raise pre, raise flop, what the hell are you doing dude

I'd raise this pre 100% even vs a balanced open limping strategy from EP+1 (which it's not dude you're at a live 2/5 table). over-limping is +EV also so not a total disaster

You can raise the flop or just call the flop; obviously both are +EV. The benefit to raising is that you can stack off or put more money in vs dominated draws and the downside is you can make some worse FDs fold and obviously weak Tx fold. This is a lot closer than preflop.

As played V1 is repping sets and strong combodraws and BB is repping 2 pairs sets and strong combodraws but BBs range is gonna be a lot weaker than V1s range as played. I'd call.

Time to bet 625

Flatting hides the strength of our hand.

But our Villains will slow down if the flush card comes.

On the other hand, suppose we do flat.

With any luck the remaining Villain will raise again and "mission accomplished", we achieve the largest possible pot.

Not raising pre is criminal. On the flop, flatting is fine. There are upsides to raising but also downsides. The bettor is a TAG who limped pre, which carries substantial risk that he has a set. Facing a reraise would be super gross.

Our hand is not very good given the flop action. V1 is almost a lock to have a set (not a combo draw because of his sizing). Our hand amounts to a flush draw against a near-certain set.

Getting allin 3 ways will be very very slightly +EV if we're up against say two sets, or a set and top two, but substantially -EV against a set and a combo draw. There's also no way to ensure we get allin 3 ways. If we shove, we risk losing V2. If we flat and V2 flats or folds, we don't have direct odds for the draw and our hand will be face up.

So we need to fold this. I know it looks weird, but V1 has practically showed us his hand and we can't beat a set.

+1

Not sure we can count on the V descriptions as a basis for decisions, e.g. BB flop raise sizing from a “solid”. I’ll assume we don’t have enough history.

Based on V1 line, appears to be all sets, perhaps T7s. BB likely the same, although I think donking a strong hand is more likely. Can include T2/72/98s/J9s/FD given the limped pot. Hero blocks AA so I’d eliminate slow-played rockets.

As played, I’d fold. Seems like we only have FD outs, risk of a re-draw, while facing the possibility of shared outs.

Agree – raise pre.

whats the old adage...don't lose your stack in a limped pot.
I fold muttering to myself for 120seconds why did I not raise ? the path to chips would have been to much clearer with limpers properly punished and on the sidelines

+2.

But mostly raise pre....tons of dead $$ to pick up. I probably make it $55 or so and scoop right then and there.

+3 but it's uber gross. Easy to get emotional and call but it's hard to argue with the math. The chances that one of them is stealing our outs kills our drawing odds and we are certainly behind and need to draw. Always easier to say fold here on the forum than it is to do it live...

Just gii now - not deep enough to fold this much equity in a 400bb pot and ranges are always far wider than expected, even with this action/your hand.

You can’t ever be drawing dead, so going all in is a good play and most likely the right one. I would have raised after the $20 lead, and probably would have raised pre flop as well.

+1

Even though I expect to see sets/2p, I'm usually (pleasantly) surprised by what I get

Would be willing to bet $500 vs your $100 that V1 had a set. No action if OP didn't see his hand. I don't know OP, obviously.

Excellent analysis and spot on. Pretty clear from the group that my flat pre was horrible.

FWIW, V1 had 22, V2 had T7, I chose to shove, V2 folded and V1 called and it came: 7d Js

So I made my flush, but lost to his boat. V2 was bummed to lay down the winning boat even though he made the right fold at the time.

Bet offer still open, Amanaplan

TPTK/FD hands are a strange beast. They're almost unique in the combination of a good but not great made hand and a nut draw. I often see people treat them like sets, just betting and raising as aggressively as possible, but that's often a bad idea. The hand is crushingly good against weak ranges, but doesn't do well if you're so aggressive that you narrow opponent ranges to just sets/two pairs/straights, where you've essentially thrown away the value of the top pair. It's often better to keep ranges wide. On this flop if people have like JT-KT they are absolutely screwed (on phone and can't check but their equity must be like 5%) so folding out those hands is a minor disaster. Not saying you never want to raise with them, and maybe this hand would even be a spot for it if it weren't for the elevated risk of a set from the TAG-ish guy who limped. Just saying when you raise you have to be clear about what you're trying to accomplish and what you hope to get called by.

Grunch.

I would flat and call all jams ott barring a pairing board. We dont have the best hand and need to improve to win most likely, so might as well drag another player along

Shoving is the worst option of the three. I’d think folding is slightly better than shoving.

Otf seems fine to put into our x/c range, not gonna elaborate too much on it

Lol Wow you run bad! Was just gonna accept but OP snaked you.

It should not be hard to fold flop given the action, not raising pre-flop is lighting money on fire

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